I’m gradually removing myself from big tech and this month I’m focusing on leaving GitHub, as well as software hosted there. I’m looking for a self-hosted music server that meets these criteria:
- Simple UI - Easy to navigate
- Docker support - For hassle-free deployment
- Runs on Pi3B
- Compatible clients on mobile and desktop
- Robust and well maintained - No buggy releases
Current Option:
The only option I’ve found but not tried is Funkwhale (GitLab).
Site: https://www.funkwhale.audio/
Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBcKNoJAso.
GitHub-hosted exclusions:
All the other’s I’ve looked at are hosted on GitHub ( Ampache, LMS Lightweight Music Server, Supysonic, Gonic, Airsonic-Advanced, Koel, Jellyfin, Navidrome). So I won’t be using those.
Question:
Does anyone know of other options besides Funkwhale, or have you tried Funkwhale? Thanks!
Aside:
Some reasons I’m leaving GitHub:
I don’t see a reason to avoid using software hosted on GH. I moved off GH when MS bought it, and all that entailed was no longer hosting my own software on GH, and using alternative FOSS git forges. That still has a similar effect, and when a critical mass of devs move off GH, the rest will follow suit. The main draw of GH is that everything’s on there; when that’s no longer true, it will no longer be the main git forge. Especially once Forgejo adds ActivityPub integration; I imagine that’ll speed the process along a lot.
A lone user boycotting all software hosted on GH is realistically not going to make any devs move their projects off GH. You may say that it doesn’t have to be a lone user, but I think you’ll be hard pressed to get a whole movement of people refusing to use any software hosted on GH.
I also think the boundaries of your boycott are just too ambiguous. What if you download the software from somewhere other than GH, and it just has a GH repo? Is that ok with you? Is it that you just don’t want to touch MS’s servers? What about software where the GH repo is just a read-only mirror, and the main collaboration/development happens elsewhere, like a GitLab or Forgejo instance? I would rather struggle to see an argument for refusing to use software in either of those cases.
Even using their free stuff is supporting Microsoft. As long as they provide sophisticated facilities for genocide, I’m out.
As a wiser person than me once said “be the change you want to see in the world”.
I’m also opposed to “using [Microsoft’s] free stuff”; I’m arguing that using software that happens to use GH isn’t using MS’s stuff at all.
h, I see what you mean now. The thing is, the massive numbers of users we collectively provide to Microsoft (even non-paying) is a huge benefit to them. They wouldn’t offer free stuff otherwise. It gives them all kinds of leverage in negotiations. I’ve elaborated a bit more on it in another reply in case you’re interested.
No, I’m not arguing that we should be users of Microsoft. You’re still not understanding what I’m saying. I don’t use Microsoft’s services, including their free ones. Software that happens to be hosted on GitHub is not Microsoft’s software.
You can do whatever you want as an individual. But as a political actor, you should be participating in organised boycotts, such as BDS’s boycott of Microsoft. BDS’s boycott is already fairly wide-sweeping, going as far as to ask people to e.g. stop playing Minecraft and Skyrim, even if they already own the game. Avoiding using Microsoft’s products like this is effective because, even if you’ve already bought the game, you lend Microsoft more cultural capital by proliferating their products.
BDS has not, on the other hand, called for a boycott of all software that happens to have a GitHub repo. If you think they should do that, take it up with BDS. If BDS called for such a boycott, it would get much more momentum behind it.
As it currently stands, you are boycotting all software that has a GitHub repo on your own. This is not going to have any effect. You are going to be hard-pressed to get people to join your boycott. What kernel do you use? The Linux kernel has a GitHub mirror. The majority of FOSS projects where collaboration occurs off of GitHub still have a read-only GitHub mirror. Is your boycott suggesting that everybody should be using OpenBSD? That’s going to be a very hard sell.
BDS has achieved huge victories because it offers targeted boycotts that the average consumer is perfectly capable of doing, and it has a mass movement behind it. There are also grassroots boycotts that have been organised outside of BDS, such as the Starbucks and McDonald’s boycotts, but again, these caught on because they had the backing of people active in the movement and were willing to organise said boycotts. You’re a random Lemmy user who, if you are serious about organising a boycott, you’re in the entirely wrong place to do so. You won’t achieve anything doing what you’re currently doing.
You’re welcome to make whatever consumer decisions you want, but don’t confuse that for political organising.
I believe, Icecast ticks at least some of your criteria. It’s been around since forever, so it’s probably the most stable option and even a Pi1 is likely overkill for it. No idea how it holds up in terms of UI, app and Docker, though.
They do have a mirror on GitHub, but the main repo is on a self-hosted GitLab.
GitLab mirrored on GitHub is totally fine with me, thanks so much for the thoughtful comment! I’ll add Icecast to the list of things to look into. I’ve encountered it with internet radio.
Jellyfin
Why does it matter that they are hosted on GitHub though?Isn’t that GitHub too?
To answer your question: even using their free stuff supports Microsoft. As long as they facilitate militarised genocide, I’m out.
“Be the change you want to see in the world”.
In what way? If anything, it costs Microsoft money
It’s called “social proof”. The way bullies get their way is because they can gesture broadly at their following and say, “see? We’re popular. Better that you conform than try to resist us”. That gives them lock-in and ecosystem growth. It also makes it harder for competitors when they abuse their position to offer free services that an ethical but smaller provider can’t. It’s also a gateway to Azure, another of their products (which make the Israeli killing fields in Palestine even more efficient). It allows them to shift a percentage of free users to paid plans.
So it’s lots really. And supporting Microsoft today is very similar to supporting Volkswagen during Nazi Germany’s rule.
Whatever floats your boat.
If you want to go pre-connect, the library usually loans out music. Mostly CD’s though, so you’d need a player.
Libraries are so underrated - always a good suggestion. I have about 300 albums that I like so I’d probably stick with my Snowsky Echo Mini for those. But I should check out the local libraries. (I have an old laptop with a CD player).
Not suggesting an app but I think what you plan to do as an effort to boycott GitHub is the most non-productive thing to do…
What if it is a project like OpenBSD, which the active repo is still CVS, but has a read-only GitHub repo for public consumption? I believe a fair amount of open source developers rely partly or even totally on donation, and the popularity of a platform has direct impact to their life support. What you are going to do is the easiest as a totally unrelated onlooker - you deem them to be immoral because they host or mirror the project on GitHub, you judged just like how people do on social media when they hear some company doing evil things, spent probably just a few minutes to write a post and created direct impact.
There are many more better things to do. You know why they are forced to host on GitHub so why don’t you set up a fund that supports developers to not host on GitHub, or as a maintainer who helps projects to mirror on GitHub alternatives and eventually swtich the active repo to the alternatives?
I have great respect to open source developers who bring us a better world. Please think again what is the difference between what you are going to do vs people who ignore all the heavylifting of open source developers did and say “add this feature in the next hour or I will stop using your software, because I think it is the most important thing to do”…
I don’t know if you read the articles I linked or not, but there is a stark lack of empathy in replies like this: full of self interest, void of humanity.
Devs are free to choose other platforms. They don’t face death or famine for doing so. Oppressed people cannot choose their oppressors. If genocide isn’t a red line for you then you have no red lines.
I respect your strong ethics and sticking to them, but saying they people support genocide for using software hosted on GitHub is an extreme position.
I could easily change this: Do you drive a car or fly a plane? Then you must have no red lines against climate change.
And I appreciate the respectful response. “Support” means “contributes to” when I use it. My car does contribute to climate change. The thing is, GitHub is a choice. For some people, driving isn’t a choice due to lack of public transport and distance to work. However if I use my car when there is plentiful public services (but I just like to hear my music at full volume in my car), then that is a choice.
So if I’m driving when I have better options, then my actions do support climate change, and I do so knowingly.
But why are you asking here though? Considering Lemmy is developed on github?
I’ll be looking into Lemmy alternatives too.
That’s exactly why I replied. I think you are an upright citizen and you and many others know full well how evil Microsoft is. But the most regrettable thing to do will be to start with a noble cause and end up doing harm to people who you should help and protect.
I am not going to drill into anything political here as it is not the right board. But please think about this - helping developers to move away from Microsoft is punishing the evil; Boycotting projects that are hosted on GitHub, in hope of dealing damage to the evil, is not actually doing it. You are punishing open source developers who are contributing to a free world, and not punishing the evil.
Just like in my original reply, there are many things you can do. Codeberg is doing it by providing a better alternative to developers; Richard Stallman started GNU project and provided a big collection of useful software and libraries to help people move away and fight proprietary tools, not just slapping people who used proprietary software; Even if you help just one more open source project to host on Codeberg, people will be able to find one more project on the Codeberg and can choose not to go to GitHub for that…
Thanks for the response. I also feel that open source projects contribute to a better world, but I think we sometimes have a puritanical view of ourselves. We do not make a better world by supporting Microsoft while they enable a genocide. We do the opposite. Using even their free stuff is support. If genocide isn’t a red line for them, then they have no red lines, and I become very uninterested in their games
I also agree that it’s important to be effective. Richard Stallman et al can do what they do, but I’m not one of those people. Just a consumer. It’s important that we exercise the few rights we have (while we still have them).
I’ve been an open source advocate for years. Helped many people migrate to Linux in my free time, submitted as many well formed bug reports as I could and remained available for follow up requests and further debugging.
The thing is: none of this matters if we’re willing to sit on our hands while people die. Our repositories are not so precious. We shouldn’t let our love of software replace our love of humanity.
Clarifying, your looking for a new music streaming service that has a code base not hosted in GitHub? Otherwise it sounds like you are somehow hosting your music in GitHub.
Good to see I was not the only one who thought that.
Correct. I don’t host my music on GitHub. I’m looking to dispense of software that’s involved with it. I’ll try to clarify my post, thank you.!
This is honestly dumb. If you hate github then actively downloading from it and eating their bandwidth is helping your mission of killing them.
Where a project is hosted is irrelevant because if the platform shits itself one can simply just do
git add remote someserverand push the whole project over to some new code hosting site.You refusing to download from github is quite simply stupid.
What a shit take calling people dumb for trying to boycott a big tech platform. Having your project primarily on GH including issue tracking etc is in github’s best interest as being “the” code platform. If MS wouldn’t think they benefit from it, they wouldn’t host it for free.
Hosting platform is also not the battle I’m choosing but come on.
What a shit take calling people dumb for trying to boycott a big tech platform. Having your project primarily on GH including issue tracking etc is in github’s best interest as being “the” code platform.
You have totally missed the topic. This person is not asking where to host a project. They are asking about how to avoid even downloading a repo from github as if it’s some moral crime.
Newsflash, 75% of any operating system and it’s utilities are developed and put on github. You cannot avoid it and trying to do so only harms your own access to things. You might as well just cut off your own internet at that point.
Project developers, not the users downloading from them, have to be the ones to move off of github. That’s how this works.
Presume you don’t live in the UK. If it’s a major site, they effectively have cut off the internet for most people. I lost my reddit account, Facebook account and my discord because all wanted me to hand over my driving license to use them.
Sites like github will be next.
So someone wanting to find places that can support that will be available long term isn’t dumb, it’s possibly the only smart move left.
Even if that’s not the OP’s situation, I don’t know their exact situation and reasons. Attacking their reasoning or morals is not the right play here.
Yeah I understood what op is looking for. Having your code hosted on GitHub was what I was referring to with hosting, not your platform itself (we are talking about selfhosted stuff here anyways).
The devs need to move off GitHub? No shit? Maybe, as a user, preferring projects that host their code elsewhere could be an incentive to devs using something else then? Like, looking for a selfhosted audio project and asking if there’s any that doesn’t primarily rely on GH?
It’s not that it’s totally absurd being somewhere else. The whole KDE project has it’s own Gitlab and many projects are on Codeberg or their own forges. Yes, the overwhelming majority is on GitHub. That doesn’t mean looking for projects that aren’t is dumb.
“That’s how this works.”
That’s actually not how this works. No worthwhile intention or movement begins with wishing that someone else would do something.
It sounds like your definition of when a platform “shits itself” is when it stops meeting your own needs and preferences. I would say that a better definition is when a platform engages in extreme and violent behaviour.
Then cut yourself entirely off the internet, as it facilitates all of that.
I don’t share your pessimism that there is no ethical tech out there, so I’ll be keeping my internet connection thank you.
If you consider using software that has version control on GitHub immoral, then using TCP/IP is immoral.
I don’t want to repeat this comment too much, but perfect is the enemy of the good. I’ll do what I reasonably can.
I don’t think you’ll be able to find a project that doesn’t contain some code (like dependencies) hosted on GitHub.
I understand not wanting to use GitHub yourself, but not wanting to use a self-hosted software that is distributed through GitHub is kind of extreme.
I’ll do what I can. Perfect is the enemy of the good, and passivity is to side with the aggressor.
Fair enough. I do think your goals are noble, so I hope you can find what you’re looking for.
Thanks, I appreciate that!
There is absolutely no way you can avoid GH hosted project completely. It’s like trying to buy a phone without Chinese parts.
I respect bigger ambitions, but they can lead to defeatism and paralysis. The point is to do what is possible, rather than let perfect be the enemy of the good. I see it as a minor effort. At least, easier than being forced to beg for food, hoping I won’t be executed when I turn my back.
It’s open source software. You’re free to fork it on any platform of your choosing and support it yourself.
As an open source software developer, this is a weird hill to die on, and I use and donate to Codeberg every month. I don’t give GitHub one penny and I don’t support anything about GitHub’s AI shit, but I do not mind them eating my costs or other peoples costs for me or them one bit. I’m not at all against having my open source code subsidized by wealthier people.
Sure, go ahead and say “if you’re poor and need github’s free services I won’t use your software” but it’s just weird. Codeberg is not a for-profit corporation, it is wrong to demand them to provide free services. It is not wrong to use to the maximum extent GitHub’s free services, imo, so long as you aren’t giving them money. Bleed em while they let you and all that jazz. It absolutely does cost them, but they don’t care so why should the less fortunate?
I appreciate your perspective and understand the pragmatic approach of avoiding costs. But I’d like to challenge the framing of this as a “weird hill to die on”.
This isn’t about individual cost benefit analysis. It’s about collective responsibility. In a world where tech companies actively enable mass surveillance and violence (see linked articles), passive reliance on them is a form of complicity (even if we don’t pay). GitHub isn’t a neutral platform. It’s a Microsoft subsidiary deeply entangled with militarised oppression.
You’re right that Codeberg isn’t a for-profit corp, and that’s exactly why it’s worth supporting. The goal isn’t to “demand” free services but to divest from systems that profit from harm. If open source only thrives when subsidised by unethical capital, then it can’t liberate us.
As for privilege: it’s a privilege to have this choice in the first place while others are being starved to death and murdered while they beg for water…
What are your thoughts on boycotting using the US dollar? Moral perfectionism in a capitalist society is a difficult road. I urge a more pragmatic approach over dogmatic, and just volunteering or performing mutual aid in your community. Or create open source software yourself.
The US dollar is a state-controlled monopoly, not a voluntary tool like GitHub. The point isn’t moral perfectionism: it’s about divesting from optional systems that actively weaponise open source.
Nobody needs to quit GitHub overnight, but ask why we hold open source to lower ethical standard than our coffee or clothes.
GitHub/MS bans developers from sanctioned countries while selling AI services to militaries. If we only resist when it’s cost-free, we’re not resisting: we’re outsourcing our ethics to Microsoft.
Lemmy is optional, and the project is hosted on Github.
I’ll have to deal with Lemmy (and Mastodon) too, but one thing at a time. My plan is to be intentional but to pace myself.
… Have you reached out to the devs/maintainers of the projects to find out what their plans are going forward?
Because you may be completely dismissing projects that are in the process (whether its early planning or otherwise) of moving to codeberg or something.
Or even expressed any of your concerns to the devs?
I have. The dev of the software I’m currently using said that they prioritise personal preferences and software tools above anything else. That’s not good enough for me.
I’ve worked in tech and that individualistic attitude is pretty prevalent. I’ve contact devs not on GitHub to check that they have no intention of moving there. I’m waiting to hear back.
I don’t have any app suggestions for you but have been reading through the comments and just wanted to say that I’m 100% with you.
I have a similar conversation with other musicians I know and it’s the reason that I (and many others) won’t release anything on Spotify: Just being there adds value to them and what they do is destructive and dirty.
I hope you find something and keep standing up for what’s right!
Ah, I appreciate the comment so much! I also don’t use Spotify for the same reason as you. These exploitation economies are a race to the bottom. Thank you, and I wish you success platforming your music ethically.
Thanks :) I’m happy to chat to any musicians who read this and are curious about alternative release options.
These exploitation economies are a race to the bottom.
That’s exactly what they are and exactly what they do.
Are you wanting something that you don’t have to download from GitHub yourself (so a project that hosts a docker container somewhere and just code is in GitHub is OK), or are you looking to boycott any project that is not boycotting GitHub and so any part of that project should not use GitHub for any code at all in which case possibly even dependencies should not be on GitHub even if they publish their distributions elsewhere? Or somewhere in between?
That’s a good question. I’ve been thinking about where a middle ground might be. I think if a project does both it’s coding and CI on another platform (fully committed) then I can live with that. They can a copy of the code to GitHub for the engagement and audience or whatever.
But if the project is determined to keep with GitHub specific features (like actions) then that’s a clear signal of support to GitHub, IMO. I couldn’t support that. So in short, if GitHub is their home base then I intend to boycott, but I don’t mind them mirroring to GitHub from something like Codeberg.
I found this: https://codeberg.org/mysearchhistory123/lms
LMS - Lightweight Music Server
LMS is a self-hosted music streaming software: access your music collection from anywhere using a web interface!
I also found this: https://codeberg.org/thororen/Feishin
Feishin
Rewrite of Sonixd.
Features:
- MPV player backend
- Web player backend
- Modern UI
- Scrobble playback to your server
- Smart playlist editor (Navidrome)
- Synchronized and unsynchronized lyrics support
Some elements of these are on github and I can’t attest to either. Neither has recent updates, but should function. Web interfaces and API support should mean that you have some mobile options. Like others, I object to your reasoning, but this is a community to help one another, so your reasoning for your goals doesn’t really matter to me.
I don’t think that you are likely to find any software that meets all of your requirements, but I hope this helps.
Those are great finds. I use Feishin as a subsonic client and absolutely love it. Unfortunately the Codeberg repo appears to be out of date, while their GitHub one is current. So I think they’ve migrated to GitHub. https://github.com/jeffvli/feishin
LMS appears to be inactive for over a year on Codeberg too, while their GitHub is active https://github.com/epoupon/lms
It’s a pity seeing projects move that way, especially when they clearly put in the effort and had good intentions from the beginning. I might contact those developers, though, and see if they might reconsider. Thanks for the helpful response!
Codeberg or anything hosted in the EU is an unfortunate no-go.
GDPR DoS Bomb made it so - ‘right to forget’ means that a bad actor can kill a major project by invoking their right to forget, which would mean all code they’ve ever submitted would have be audited out.
You’d have to rewrite the Git history to pseudonomize the author, which yes, is pretty bad, but I don’t see why you’d need to remove the code, unless they genuinely checked in their home address or such.
I use Navidrome and highly recommend it. Nice Canadian developer.
I also use GitLab.
One option is for you to mirror Navidrome on GitLab. I will happily use your mirror instead of GitHub.
Another option is to reach out to the Navidrome dev and propose moving to GitLab. If you open an issue to that effect, I would add a comment with my support.
Great idea(s)! Navidrome is my favourite and I will really miss it (I’m listening with it now). My understanding is that the project will not be moving platform. A GitHub ticket sounds like a good idea, but I’m unsure about personally pressing the issue with them again, in case it feels like I’m trying to pressure them. Maybe I’m overthinking it?
As for mirroring, I did come across a project or two that are on both Codeberg and GitHub. Given what I’m aiming for impact (as much as one person can have) I’m not sure what to do in that case. I feel that if the project is tied to GitHub devops, then any mirroring is more of a token offering with little impact. But if the project CDI was on Codeberg / GitLab etc and mirrored on GitHub I’d probably be more okay with it. At least, that’s my thinking at the time of writing.
PS: I use GitLab too now. I host some websites with GitLab Pages. I found the documentation a bit lacking in some areas, which took up more time. But I’m happier with the move.
Edit: I’m not up-to-date on US politics, but it looks like GitLab is aligned with the current authoritarian administration https://archive.is/okSlz
I’m going to migrate my own code to Codeberg.org soon. Its open source, and hosted outside the U.S., so checks all the non-corporo boxes i want. Maybe check that out?
I would very much appreciate a ping when that happens!
Oh, sorry, I meant check out Codeberg.org. I didnt mean to imply I have a plugin for music or a music streaming app you should check out. I do game dev, totally unrelated stuff, that I dont think you would be interested in :P
Hehe, I get you. Thanks. I like code berg a lot. I did find two projects there, but one looks abandoned while the other has just migrated to GitHub.
