Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
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You know you can just have multiple accounts on multiple instances, right? That gets you just about as full a view on the Fediverse as you might want. Heck, the only reason I’m not doing it is because I’m lazy.
Also, whining about db0 then moving to the instance that literally implements CCP politics and shadow profiling and comes from a dev known to have had a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness (if not against neurodivergence) is… not the win you think it is.
Yup that’s the way to go. Actually my first client I used for Lemmy (Liftoff) made multiple accounts really easy since you could switch feeds and accounts in one click and quickly. But even if you just use multiple accounts on the web switching between tabs or using Tesseract isn’t that difficult.
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Oh that’s absolutely understandable. The more with how bloated interfaces tend to be these days.
Just mind, you have to consider what does it mean for your instance to be open enough to serve you everything in one account.
so which fediverse platform dev isn’t evil?
Heck if I know, but at least we know of the ones who are (eg.: feddit.org are “good German soldiers”).
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It’s been on the public fediverse eye enough that I don’t need to do your homework for you, but just look for mentions to piefed in this same sub. One of the exemplary things that was found was that you can’t eg.: “upload a picture that contains the word ‘anonymous’” and that Piefed lies to you about why.
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Counterpoints:
If you want to know a bit more about Rimu, the main Piefed dev, he made an interview a couple of months ago: https://tubefree.org/w/jLPZXv1Jynv7LRcuoteARf
He’s usually quite nice and helpful. That’s not always the case with people who try to spread disinformation about Piefed.
Why not go to an even broader instance like Lemmy.zip?
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Showing your true colours here. By the way, it’s not “political discussions regarding Israel/Palestine”, call it by its name: genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
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The point is to exhaust you down to the point you don’t fight back.
I don’t think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn’t like the implication that “deep political discussions” are necessary to understand that “Israel/Palestine” is in fact “the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel”. I think that’s fair. It’s OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don’t need “deep discussions” to know that colonialism is always wrong.
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Are you boycotting Israeli goods, media, and anything else that could give money to the Zionist entity? That’s the bare minimum any person of conscience should do.
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I know people who work all the time and have energy. You have probably a mixture of privilege and exhaustion. We’re talking about scanning some barcodes so you can help avoid preventing fellow human beings, including children, from being massacred.
I am a vegan lol
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More privileged than a Palestinian, hell yeah. So it’s still your duty.
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I have actually seen some influence agents pushing iran war and israel and such just lately. Usg must be expanding out to lemmy with their bs.
lol so you join the place with the social credit score
What is that?
piefed.social keeps a hidden trust score that goes down when people do stuff the piefed dev personally doesn’t like. there was recently a bunch of drama about it
Jesus fuck.
It’s literally just a number admins can use to sus out if a user might potentially be a toll. It’s basically reddit karma but hidden from everyone but admins.
.ml users tried to make it a big deal because people were leaving lemmy for PieFed.
Reddit Karma is not good, I don’t want a Karma system on the Fediverse. That was one of the worst things about Reddit. Karma is essentially ass-kissing points, you get them for kissing ass, and you loose them for making people butt-hurt.
I can’t support that, it creates nasty psychological patterns that make people prone to siding with popularity and not with what’s right.
You dont have a karma system on the fediverse, only admins can see it.
Individuals dont know what their score is, there is no benefit to them trying to farm it because they cant see or use it. There is no psychological pattern formed because its an admin only tool.
This is the most overblown criticism of piefed around.
It’s a score that is controlled by other people, which causes restrictions if it gets too low.
It’s moderation by popularity. I can’t and won’t support that.
Then make it a clear, public figure. Make it transparent.
Why? It’s an admin tool.
Users overall don’t want karma farming accounts.
Because this is Lemmy, the whole point for me at least being decentralized, democratized; making non-privacy based knowledge exclusive to the effective elites goes against that principle to me. Perhaps that’s not why you’re here, but it does matter to me. It’s the same reason I think the Modlog is a vital part of the Lemmy appeal; more transparency with users as community members, not just customers.
Technically, it’s an astrospam measure.
No they use something else for that, ie limit what new accounts can do.
The credit score is just doing things the dev doesn’t like/shouldn’t be done
https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
There’s nothing in that post about ❝credit scores.❞ Karma is what threadiverse uses to evaluate posts, comments, communties, and accounts.
There is attitude and reputation
There is attitude and reputation
Yeah, did you not read why? How else do you want piefed to mitigate onetime spam accounts to sibyl downvote comments?
Oooh the irony!