It is exactly because we cannot trust parents to moderate what their children do online that these laws are coming up.
I disagree. The reason we cannot trust parents is because we are not making them responsible in the first place… there’s not a system in place to assign them responsibility regarding the child accessing places it should not (if we do really think they should not).
So if by “trust” you mean “blind” trust with no accountability, then well, we can’t “trust” NOBODY, not just parents.
The problem is that instead of controlling the bad parent, we are trying to control everyone else to try and child-proof the world.
States require that you get a license, take a test, follow road rules, get your vehicle inspected, and many more requirements. We have these requirements because we know that we should not let an untrained driver on the road.
The reason I removed it is precisely because I expected this kind of misunderstanding. You are assuming that in my comparison getting a license is comparable to a sort of age limit permit, but the way I framed my comparison, the equivalent of “getting a license” would be educating the parents and keeping a “parental license”. The parent is the bad driver.
there’s not a system in place to assign them responsibility regarding the child accessing places it should not (if we do really think they should not).
That’s what this law does. It provides a system (age attestation) and penalties for violating it.
No, this law is not placing penalties on the parents. It’s placing them on the OS distributors.
If you come to my house and get sufficient proof that my child is having an account in a web service it should not, and you go to the police with it, do you think they would punish me with a fine or anything? (and you don’t even need any sort of special authentication technology for “age attestation” to start penalizing that, btw)
That law just says “A person that violates this title[…]”. Which is vague. But it appears to me that this would include the parent.
It is also something that only athe AG can bring charges for. This won’t be something that police are getting out their ticket books for. And if we don’t like how the AG is handling it, we can try to recall them.
How can the account holder violate the title when the title is not demanding anything of them? the whole document is about what the developer and OS distributor “shall” do… there’s no responsibility attached to the account holder. There’s no “shall” attached to the parent. At most all it says is that the OS provider shall offer an interface that requires the Account holder to enter their age… which again is a mandate directly addressing what the OS provider shall be responsible of doing, not the parent. I think it’s pretty clear that the document is targeting the OS providers & devs.
But sure, that’s only for an AG to interpret… until it happens, it seems to me that it would be silly to assume that parents are gonna start to get fined, until now the pressure has always been put into the service providers. And targeting something as “local” and easy to circumvent as an OS level question seems to me like a bad choice if they really wanted to put pressure on the parents with this.
I disagree. The reason we cannot trust parents is because we are not making them responsible in the first place… there’s not a system in place to assign them responsibility regarding the child accessing places it should not (if we do really think they should not).
So if by “trust” you mean “blind” trust with no accountability, then well, we can’t “trust” NOBODY, not just parents.
The problem is that instead of controlling the bad parent, we are trying to control everyone else to try and child-proof the world.
The reason I removed it is precisely because I expected this kind of misunderstanding. You are assuming that in my comparison getting a license is comparable to a sort of age limit permit, but the way I framed my comparison, the equivalent of “getting a license” would be educating the parents and keeping a “parental license”. The parent is the bad driver.
That’s what this law does. It provides a system (age attestation) and penalties for violating it.
No, this law is not placing penalties on the parents. It’s placing them on the OS distributors.
If you come to my house and get sufficient proof that my child is having an account in a web service it should not, and you go to the police with it, do you think they would punish me with a fine or anything? (and you don’t even need any sort of special authentication technology for “age attestation” to start penalizing that, btw)
That law just says “A person that violates this title[…]”. Which is vague. But it appears to me that this would include the parent.
It is also something that only athe AG can bring charges for. This won’t be something that police are getting out their ticket books for. And if we don’t like how the AG is handling it, we can try to recall them.
How can the account holder violate the title when the title is not demanding anything of them? the whole document is about what the developer and OS distributor “shall” do… there’s no responsibility attached to the account holder. There’s no “shall” attached to the parent. At most all it says is that the OS provider shall offer an interface that requires the Account holder to enter their age… which again is a mandate directly addressing what the OS provider shall be responsible of doing, not the parent. I think it’s pretty clear that the document is targeting the OS providers & devs.
But sure, that’s only for an AG to interpret… until it happens, it seems to me that it would be silly to assume that parents are gonna start to get fined, until now the pressure has always been put into the service providers. And targeting something as “local” and easy to circumvent as an OS level question seems to me like a bad choice if they really wanted to put pressure on the parents with this.