Its always good to try!
A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops
Sure would be the toppiest of tops!
We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too!
Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered
Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!
Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker
I wonder why they don’t want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that
They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone’s priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer.
Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support.
They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can’t be that high a priority.
Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.
I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone)
What are your use cases?
GrapheneOS doesn’t like Fairphone very much it seems…
Their gripe seems more to do with eOS, but they kinda couple them together. Hardware-wise fairphone is only deficient in its security chip. I do agree with GrapheneOS in criticisms of eOS’s philosophy and security and privacy goals. The founder of eOS is a prick.
GrapheOS doesn’t like anyone. I don’t even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn’t make.
They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner
I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don’t think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof?
*Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there’s no need to hate anyone.
what led you to this conclusion?
Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/
They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed.
Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard.
the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol
they not wrong, but there’s better ways to inform other people.
Isn’t /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?
Yes, and I don’t know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically?
I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn’t like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).
Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other
So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS?
Security wise Fairphone isn’t up to GOS standards, so a collaboration wasn’t on the table either way.
If said standards are reasonable is a difficult thing to say. A few years ago I would’ve said that a normal person doesn’t need to be concerned that the police tries to break into their phone, but with the current state of things and the increasing rise of fascism, I’m not so certain anymore.
Fairphones are scams
In what way(s)? There are a lot of things I like about it from the research I did. I only didn’t get one because of e/OS and the battery life.
And I encourage everyone to write to banks and other service providers to provide apks directly or through F-Droid
For F-Droid and for Accrescent too. Both would be amazing love this!! Added that suggestion to my latest post post on europe@feddit.org about things people want
Here’s the link to the post:
We might be able to get them to provide APKs with some luck and finesse, but I unfortunately don’t see them publishing to F-Droid. F-Droid actually builds your APK from source themselves, and I don’t see banks giving up the source any time soon.
Actually, as I’m thinking about it, that may be true for F-Droid’s main repo, but I know other repos exist, so maybe they could host their own that you would just add to your F-Droid’s repo list?
I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won’t bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don’t bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn’t want to compromise on.
Definitely feels like a supply chain issue on parts for Fairphone to have this position. Hopefully Fairphone, GrapheneOS, and hardware venders can work this out on a later model.
Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He’s a little… Um, special.
While his perceptions of other people’s motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.
Honestly if I had to deal with degooglers and Linux fanboys as much as he did I’d probably go batshit insane. Kudos to him
His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.
Agree, he’s a bit paranoid and delusional. I think that may speak to his psychological profile. Who designs an impenetrable OS except someone who is a little paranoid?
Let’s call a spade a spade: He is a raging asshole with severe clinical paranoia. I’m literally certain that if he saw this post he’d accuse me of being a shill for calyxos and to never fucking again interact with any grapheneos account. Both have happened to me before (Hence I refuse to ever interact with his troupe again, even though I use graphene and agree with the vast majority of its technical decisions; I have also stopped actively recommending it to anyone, the social media experience is simply way too attrocious).
Fairphone do work with Ubuntu Touch.
Really? I have PostmarketOS on my Fairphone. No audio and really slow WiFi. This is unusable.
Wait really? Ooo I have to check that out. Thanks!
The idea that the Major Software Enshittificator which is Samsung would ever go along with this is incredibly naive.
Samsung was one of the first to fill their smartphones and tables with tons of useless “Samsung” software that can’t be removed by normal means, and even people who had their older and less insanely stuffed with junk devices got them forcefully filled with that crap via updates (making their older devices unusable, “incentivizing” them to get new ones).
Samsung hasn’t been consumer friendly for at least a decade.
When smartphones became a thing, everyone had Samsungs. I played around on a classmate’s Samsung Galaxy Whateverthefuck (might’ve been a Gio or a Y) and in addition to the hardware itself being shit because it was a low-end device in like 2010 or 2011, the software was HORRIBLE. So I vowed never to buy a Samsung and I still haven’t. Maybe their software got good, maybe it didn’t… But my first smartphone was an Xperia and the one after that was the second-gen Moto G. Quite stock-like Android and that’s what I’ve preferred since (though I’m now on iOS, but that’s a different story)
Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.Per GOS: Samsung has almost all hardware requirements to support GOS except… they purposely cripple their device upon installation of a third party OS. One can only suspect they indeed make money with their spyware stack!
What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?
@viov @pineapple That they are not fair et all. A really fair phone should start at that you can install its OS from a pendrive. Fairphone is a big f.g lie.
Qualcomm
It 👏 should 👏 be 👏 the 👏 law 👏 .
I don’t know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?
Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don’t get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.
Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.
Can you give me some reading on this? I am happy to make noise about an issue once I understand it.
There’s a lot of writing and history behind open source, open firmware and even open hardware, but the BIGGEST thing you can focus on is the transition from PCs to smartphones around the 2000s.
We went from you installing whatever boot loader and operating system that could run on your device, to a locked down boot loader that would only load the vendors operating system.
They hide behind security through obscurity, but it’s been debunked. The boot loader and even firmwares of devices have in certain cases been found to be gushing gashes of CVEs and bad coding - but only through decompilation and reverse engineering. In fact, after the 5 year warranty of your device is up, you should consider the security of your device highly suspect.
The true purpose for an exclusive locked down boot loader is to maintain operating system monopoly, force uninstallable apps/services on a user, to then be able to track & canvas the user to sell on the data brokerage market - not to mention planned obsolescence, because if you can’t freely modify and update your firmware and/or boatloader, you could secure it for more than 5 years.
For a more balanced take and to see “both sides”, read this
Other than that, the LibreBoot mailing list will help you to unearth the hypocrisy and lies fed to us by hardware vendors.
Free the firmware, free the bootloader, free the operating system, free the drivers, free the software - and then the user can decide wether or not they want to run commercial software on top of all this.
Anything else is subservience.
Thanks for this, I am interested in the philosophy around FOSS, I am tech illiterate basically and like foss because I trust it more than US tech.
That too! I covered that in another of my recent posts on the Europe community on here
That is a big thing Europe can at least make happen and in Asian/African/Latin countries too.
I like your addition though that is all facts!! Let’s keep pushing countries to make that happen.
To make them undo what Google is trying to do currently and what Apple does for long time to have all those devices be fully changeable for the OS
Needs to become a movement everywhere!!! Just as StooKillingGames, and the KeepAndroidOpen movements
We need a catchy name for it
I wish we have more choice for linux phone
Switching my fairphone to e/os today
It would be nice to buy a phone that officially support GrapheneOS. I dont want to thinker with phones. I can image it is going to be the same experience as going from Windows to Linux. Things would actually work in a good way as a user wants to instead of locked down requirements.
GrapheneOS has partnered with Motorola and were supposed to see phones that come with GOS sometime in 2027
It’s pretty funny that out of all the manufacturers Graphene doesn’t find acceptable, they went with Motorola in the end lmao. Were Nokia and Ericsson not available?
Who knows but GrapeheneOS success with Motorola can encourage other OEM’s to want to work with them.
As for why not maybe Nokia/ Ericsson people aren’t aware of it somehow or not focused on how good it is as an alternative
Definitely would love to see what Nokia does with GrapheneOS. Also, never heard of Ericsson till now what do they specialize in/what do people like about them?
Please and thanks
I wonder if that’s influenced by inventory control industry. Motorola/Zebra has been in that industry in a way that Samsung/apple/LG hasn’t been and they run Android now almost by default. I’ve used some older windows ce devices and modern ones are using Android, having more control over the device would be a huge advantage for those devices.
Next time you see someone doing inventory/receiving try and get a look at what devices they are using.
EU petition?
Fairphone and samsung are absolutely not the same kind. I want to point fairphone is officially distributing /e/OS which is a niche of 2-3 brands. This company that is nowhere in size close to samsung also engages hardcore in device repairability making its phones be a flagship. If anything just let them be successful and tempt others to follow their lead. I would love graphene os to be better supported but just don’t put all the strain on the one doing good. (I type this from my FP6 /e/OS)
@furtiveParalysis @viov Fairphone should start the “fairness” that I can reinstall its OS like of a PC. It does not do that, IT IS CLOSED HARDWARE LIKE A SAMSUNG, so do not buy it!!!
There there, go buy one when you next need.
(links are in french but you surely haven’t searched at all before spreading hate in capital letters)
to Install e/OS/: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/a-safe-guide-to-install-e-os-on-your-fairphone/128019
to install android: https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/18896094650513-How-to-manually-install-Android-on-your-Fairphone
Unlock the bootloader https://www.fairphone.com/fr/bootloader-unlocking-code-for-fairphone
I’m in the embedded market and have kept my first FP3 8 years it was pretty outdated technically but its fairness is intact (in fact it’s still in use).
It is not a FOSS hardware indeed, it isn’t like a samsung either, it is I think the top of the game among existing consumer solutions.
@furtiveParalysis I summarize your answer: “Yes it is closed hardware, you badass linux guy. Here can you crack it, like of a f…ing samsung: <link>”
You are a badass linux guy mate. Although a bit hater than solution oriented
@furtiveParalysis Why don’t you simply admit, it is not fair at all, it is only a marketing trash? It is the same like a samsung. Or motorola.
Because i’m not convinced by your argument. You side on the puritain view and I’m pragmatic, therefore we disagree despite being broadly on the same page.
I have a newer Pixel phone and I’m comfortable installing and running custom ROMs from doing so regularly back in the day - for those who’ve daily driven both, what are the reasons I should NOT switch from the stock OS to GrapheneOS?
You can’t use Google Wallet to pay with NFC, they don’t have Miracast, and Chromecast can supposedly work but I haven’t been able to get it to work. Those are the three major hurdles I’ve found, but getting away from Google was a priority so I’ll live without them.
NFC can have other providers other than Google Wallet, but I haven’t found any that I find trustworthy enough yet. Supposedly the EU is making an alternative.
The EU already has alternatives, quite a few banks have their own NFC implementations.
Not yet. They have QR, and are working on NFC.
Fair. Unfortunately, mine don’t.
I think this is about what I’ve heard to date on drawbacks, by as you mentioned, I think I’ll take the chance for the privacy benefits.
It’s not. It depends on how open the phone is and if it relies on exploits to root or if there’s an official method. Pixels are open and you can just install whatever you want on them, with open source drivers (although Google is trying to stop that too). So to install Graphene, for instance, it’s literally a web app with one or two clicks to do it automatically.
Agreed, some very talented and generous people worked to make it easier and easier, but less options over time when manufacturers started dropping and phones all consolidated and locked down more and more. Even when it was more complex in early days, and greater risk of a brick, you could often restore back to a stock ROM or dual boot in a way so actual risk was minimal if you just slowed down and followed directions - again provided by very generous people who just wanted to make things better.
Ya. Short term Motorola for Graphene, long term any that support postmarketos
The short term is forked android. The long term is a Linux distribution, new or otherwise. It doesn’t seem reasonable to assume that the proprietary blobs in Android will get reverse engineered.
The Free Software Foundation is actively working on this (reverse-engineering Android proprietary blobs, see Librephone project). It hasn’t even been a year yet since they began, but I’m rooting for them.
That will definitely be the focus. If Europe people can mandate making Android and Apple Ecosystems be opened to having real GNU/Linux or anything else they want to be able to be put on it then that would make huge changes to getting that to happen
