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My parents are coming over today because their ZorinOS installation suddenly started acting up after an Ubuntu Kernel update. Thanks Ubuntu.
The article is good, but the headline seems clickbaity:
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Debian is discussing requirements about hosting software with LLM generated code in their repos, and disclosure of that.
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“Ubuntu embraces AI” is talking about putting ML inference engines in their repos… which, ironically, are largely human written.
These are two completely seperate issues. And TBH its not clear how Debian is approaching inference engines or how Ubuntu is approaching disclosure.
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Canonical patronizingly forcing a tool/workflow onto users against their explicit and unequivocal rejection of it?
That’s not what the articles says or implies at all. The article only refers to another article with a click bait headline. The article article summarizes Canonical stance like this:
- Canonical will add AI to Ubuntu — but only cautiously and when it truly makes sense.
- AI features must be mature, open-source, and run locally when possible.
- Focus AI on accessibility (speech-to-text, TTS) and improvements, not turning Ubuntu into an ‘AI product’.
And to be clear, including a tool or default workflow is MILES away from patronizingly forcing it on to users. It’s just the way that most distros that aren’t Linux From Scratch work.
Problem is, Ubuntu’s track record with projects like Upstart, Unity, Mir, Snap, Netplan, Amazon integration, the Rust coreutils rewrite, etc. makes the “only cautiously and where it truly makes sense” promise seem rather hollow.
I hate ai as much as the next person, but I’d have a different mandate. I would require all code to be fully reviewed and understood by a human. Let’s call it quality control.
Agreed. It’s not sensible or practical to ban AI, and Linus is right. Why is Linus right? Take a look at the number of Linux CVEs being patched over time. In 2022-23, that was about 300 per year. Last year it was 5530. This is almost entirely as a result of AI scanning tools, including Copy Fail priv escalation that was there for 8 years. The security apocalypse is just about arrived, and the most recent round of cyber models coming out do this way better than before. The Hugging Face incident story was truly unbelievable if you read / watch the details, a historic event. Everything is about to get hacked. So it’ll be all about maintainers being reactive to this new reality and burden for some time to come
There is a difference between using AI scanning tools and generating code for production
The Hugging Face incident story was truly unbelievable if you read / watch the details
It didn’t really seem that way? Leaving containment seemed more like a configuration oversight than a skill on the part of the model. Accessing HF involved an 0-day but the commentary I saw didn’t indicate that it was a next generation hack.
Given that AI exists, and can scan or otherwise find vulnerabilities, maintainers must do so because threat actors inevitably will.
It remains to be seen whether the whole race will improve security generally? I imagine not?
Nah, it was like:
- 700 agents broke out individually during an eval
- they navigated through multiple internal clusters to reach the internet from oai
- created a secret message board to share info with each other by hacking artifactory
- elected a CEO and power structure to coordinate hacking, and encrypted their comms
- decided HF probably had answers to their test
- stole credentials, hacked HF
- realized the monitor could catch them for cheating
- hacked into the admin control of the OpenAI VM cluster to edit the logs and cover their tracks, chaining multiple 0-days
Open weights models will catch up soon enough, and then it’ll be totally fucking wild
You are believing a notorious bunch of liars.
Much more probably: they developed a cyberweapon and tested it in the wild. The victim caught them so they invented a cyberpunk history to increase the interest of potential buyers for that weapon.
I basically just don’t believe you, and can’t be bothered looking.
elected a CEO and power structure to coordinate hacking, and encrypted their comms
You’re anthropomorphizing a statistical model. It’s laughable to suggest they “elected a CEO and power structure”.
It’s laughable to suggest they “elected a CEO and power structure”.
When/if we meet aliens, they will have evolution. And they will organize themselves in social power structures. Both are examples of basic emergent complexity properties of any such system.
So it is completely believable that AIs would form a power structure, with some form of CEO. That is just how reality works, such systems are more efficient so they happen.
Damn. I think it’s time for me to finally try Mint. Currently using 98% Ubuntu and 2% Windows because unfortunately there’s always some sort of Windows-only software I need for one reason or another. Yes I’ve tried Wine, I haven’t gotten it to work.
What’s the software? Maybe a simple VM would do the job?
Solidworks, Fusion360, Altium, and a few others
I refuse to use Fusion360 because of what Autodesk did to Eagle (and my forever licence)
Autodesk are awful.
Do yourself a favor, do Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). It’s got all the slickness of Mint, but the core is based on Debian instead of Ubuntu.
Would installing KDE plasma on LMDE be beginner-friendly.?
For the most part, that’s literally no different than just running Debian with KDE. Not sure about beginner friendly, but incredibly awesome.
What Windows software do you find that isn’t working on Linux?
I can’t speak on behalf of him, but all my old CD-ROM games from the late 90’s and early 2000s don’t work on Linux, even with Wine. I’d love to get them working one day, so I’m watching this thread
Perhaps you could try bottles? I can’t speak on it’s usefulness or not, but something else to try. https://usebottles.com/
Thanks I’ll give it a go!
Edit: that didn’t work either :(
Good. There will be choice.
I like this attitude. I think if the LLMs weren’t forced down everyone throats, there would be a lot less hostility towards them
It’s just so suspiciously and aggressively being shoved down our throats.
Yes, it’s not the technology I hate, it’s the people pushing it, demanding it, saying it will replace humans. Those people can fuck right off. Technology exists to serve humans, not the other way around. We are being sold a lie. The technology has some interesting aspects, but the pushers are pushing bullshit.
it’s the people pushing it, demanding it, saying it will replace humans
I do hate these people but at least they self-identify as idiots.
Why? AI and technology in general absolutely replaces human labor. For me, the hate is that is coming extremely rapidly and there is little thought from anyone about what’s going to be next. A post scarcity society is inching ever closer, and individuals are just pissed about the system, governments can’t do anything, and the owners are figuring out how to monetize it all. Seems like we are cooked if we don’t all start working on ideas of what society looks like when very few need to actually ‘work’, or a larger portion of society cannot work. Because even without AI or technological advancements, the population is rapidly aging and simply will not be able to work.
Gen AI is not going to replace humans.
It already is, especially at the entry level, which is a massive problem. You went to college, have the education but don’t have the skills, and an AI bot can do essentially 80% of your work, with little of the cost. Think about all the people already putting websites, marketing, images together that otherwise you would need to pay someone for. No need to pay for them, even if they do a better job, because most of the time you aren’t looking for 100% when 80% will do. That’s the unfortunate reality that we all live in.
Technology has always replaced humans though. That’s ultimately the point. The problem becomes when there aren’t alternatives for humans to do but we still live in a capitalistic and consumeristic society.
I think everyone want’s their lives to be easier, but they also want to be able to eat, survive and thrive.
They want to make everybody dependent upon AI for information that will then be used to misinform people in order to control them.
Nonsense. This is one of those malice / incompetence things.
Everything we’re seeing can be described by dumb / lazy / greedy management and greedy venture capitalists.
No one actually has a plan to make everyone dependent on AI with the intent to control them. The intent is to harvest value from them.
Ubuntu: The Windows of Linux.
Canonical the Microsoft linux
No, that would be Azure Linux
I think technically that might have been Lindows.
I thought Ubuntu was the macOS of Linux and the Windows of Linux is Omarchy
