That’s is not what the problem is, lol, not by far. Nothing is a problem if you look at it in a short enough timeframe.

I’m not complaining about the few more people that discover Linux, I’m complaining that we are systemically introducing the same problems we want to get away from (“that the price is high/threatening”, especially now that desktop Linux is on a steady rise & we need such “”“endorsements”“” the least).

But “Linux” isn’t giving him any money either, surely. This argument breaks down because of that.

What? With influencers it’s what is monetisable in any current situation, what gets more views (and more money with that via various channels - atm “Linux” gives him revenue via selling ads etc to more people, if you offer him more money than that, he will sell whatever you say, that’s his profession). If a megacorp wants to get in on it they freely can. At any point. But it would be a lot harder to do that if we don’t/didn’t have professional ad-people (no background, just as the money winds go) intertwined from the “start”.
Financial power of a/any megacorps dictating foss just leads to monopoly again (eg how Google took over & is now closing more and more the “Android Linux”). And it makes it harder for projects to get support from “the people” vs “what is the most monetisable for some private entity”.

Overlooking that is akin to saying scalpers help redistribute the product. Technically, sure, so “what are you complaining abut, so cyclical.”

Talking about foss has literally become marketable. That’s the only reason professional influencers are talking about it now. And people listening to them will listen to whatever they say next too. And that (“money talks, bullshit walks”) is a bad future for foss which should be by it’s nature free of such incentives bcs it just becomes another megacorps monopoly.

Going into foss & financially rewarding corps that aren’t dedicated to open principles is just the current market situation (MS & Google) but with sparkles. It inevitably leads to more inequalities.

Monetisation & financial motivations.
That dude is no foss champion, at best just some user. Is MS gives him money Windows & Edge will be the best

No.

Anyone with a platform can do that.

(And from the little bits I’ve seen, mostly over memes & various news bits, the quality is questionable. Just don’t follow the whims of influencers, it’s not the correct way forward imho, it just spreads enshitification.)

lemm.ee :‘’'(

Wireguard.

Just monopoly things.

Yes, I agree.
But Sony has drivers out there for a few more devices.

I used Maemo on my N900 <3.

I don’t wanna use Sailfish bcs of the phone support tho, I’m shallow af & I need my hardware :(.
(I also have a few other Sailfish issues, the source code/availability/package, the licencing - but I feel like all of those could/would change with some growth.)

Gemini replaced Bitchxby on the latest Samsungs.

It’s in the firmware.

With the S25 series they even give you a year of full subscription.
They made it the centrepiece of the launch event of the product line.

Galaxy devices now come with Gemini, your powerful AI assistant from Google. Long press the power button to get started.

The Samsung’s front is called “Galaxy AI” but Gemini runs every new feature really - including “cross-apps actions”.
(The non-obsolete Bixby features retained the name but are part of Galaxy AI now.)

But even with everything off One UI 7 (and Samsung apps, like camera) is still littered with AI buttons.

youtube.com/HinL5jCy_oI&t=1270
(Gemini is now the default action for long-pressing the power button)

All I need is a good enough emulation of android apps to fool them (eg for banking).

So nice of her to include a comprehensive disclaimer list, much appreciated.

Lucy A. Snyder is a five-time Bram Stoker Award-winning writer and the author of the forthcoming Tor Nightfire novel Sister, Maiden, Monster. She also wrote the novels Spellbent, Shotgun Sorceress, and Switchblade Goddess, the nonfiction book Shooting Yourself in the Head For Fun and Profit: A Writer’s Survival Guide, the poetry collections Exposed Nerves and Chimeric Machines and the story collections Halloween Season, Garden of Eldritch Delights, While the Black Stars Burn, Soft Apocalypses, Orchid Carousals, Sparks and Shadows, and Installing Linux on a Dead Badger.

(Between all the Bram Stokers, the badger, & ‘Lucy A. Snyder frequently escaped into Clive Barker’s worlds when she was in darkest academia pursuing her MA in journalism’ you prob know how she writes.)

wiki/Lucy_A._Snyder
www.lucysnyder.com

Yeah, but internet was for the people for decades.
(And it didn’t really cost nature as much. Or stolen from the people so much - even by current laws LLM companies do that illegally.)

“AIs” are getting their enshitification & monopolies pre-baked into their core bossiness models from the start.

Not to mention that AIs will definitely worsen inequalities all over the world (like assembly robots that replaced people but aren’t owned by people, and people still need to work 8h/day for decades for some reason).

(This but AI. I’m not saying, there aren’t/won’t be other jobs, just pointing out how this reshapes & concentrates wealth that on the other hands allows for slave wages with no prospects for full time jobs.)

If AIs will affect the world as much as the internet (and do so with peoples data), then they should be seen as core infrastructure - and government or non-profit owned.

Monetisation of all the things is killing us.

I think all of those (Arch, Gentoo, Void) have unofficial or forked immutable versions. But I’m wondering why the immutable distros aren’t for “tinkerers”?

But I get it, and agree, current Linux phones arent for non-“tinkerers”, but isn’t that just how all things start in foss world/early unstable non-foss software projects? Surely that wouldn’t be the long-term goal.

Like Linux RISC-V desktops/laptops, but that is just the beginning.

Maybe that isn’t true but the original topic was “why Linux phones when AOSP forks exist” and I think “tinkerers” might think this way about Android.

Oh, definitely, but that is just the first/current stage.

My added comment is that, besides the tinkerers, AOSP is still in danger of Google (bcs it is by Google) - they are closing/trying to close down there open-sauciness of it (I know, the licences, but megacorp), delaying publishing the sauce code, and in the near future, I’m sure is it, making decisions that would be increasingly hard for AOSP to be used benevolently (they arent at the moment so hard on this bcs driver availability locks down what Android you can install on your phone).

The phone market and society would benefit long-term of Google wouldn’t have a monopoly in so many key areas.

Sorry, I couldn’t follow/I don’t think I understood you.

Why wound you want or need to run anything via CLI?

Most Linux users never use anything CLI (similar MacOS & Windows). Why would Linux phone users? And what does that have to do with android app devs?

The difference between Android and “proper” Linux? You said it:

But (what I said is that) all of that you can get in various Linux distros too - what I was saying that the basic difference for devs is Google/Android SDK.

… people miss Android … to play Android games? Omfg.

Android is a semi-immutable (heavily modified and basically owned by Google) distro that runs app in sandboxes.

What is the difference?

… so why are eg flatpak apps less secure than Android ones?

And Play & Apple stores are full of unchecked scam apps. They basically are solving this by securing the os more. Yet apps (even Instagram) can still take pics without your action. I assume they listed in on you too.

The app (& SDK) argument I think has more to do with user- and dev-base. Something that Microsoft failed at in the mobile market. So basically we need a quality/seamless way of running Android apps on Linux.

And since we can run Win games on Linux very nicely I think this wouldn’t be that much of an issue … Tho minimal industry support (eg banking apps) is still needed.

Yes, this.

Google is slowly but consistently closing down the ecosystem (that should have been openv all the way through anyways).

Just like with the search engine, the early ad-free serve-everyone-equally stage is dead. Now the monopoly is about to monetise what it can & control all the things.
(Thighs might escalate a bit quicker since the “Googles android” is prob at it’s peak market share rn & the China alternatives are gonna steamroll even oven giants like Google and Apple to a significant extent.)

It’s a bit diffident when you don’t have big megacorp subsidies (Meta, Google, various local-market apps, etc) & have to buy all hardware from third parties. And perhaps not have planned obsolescence. And upsales. And ad revenue. And frown upon slave or unhappy workforce & other negative society impacts.

Also it looks like an ok phone, low spec cameras, but still the usual dimensions, OLED, enough RAM & CPU to be usable in desktop mode, Linux.

Spoken vs written word?

I’ve forgotten (over the decades) two languages I can still correspond in eg via email, but wouldn’t go past ordering food irl.