I know, I regularly sleep with one of the researchers involved with several similar pojects (aren’t I cool). Fascinating stuff though! Very much not comparable to commercial LLMs, though.

AI having to wait on cold fusion for profitability is one of the funnier concepts I’ve heard today, thank you.

It can’t make things any worse…

I actively refuse to engage with AI content.

Okay, but then can you stop trying to use people talking about communities which include the ones you don’t want to engage with as a way to dismiss their claims as blown out of proportion? Maybe they’re just not talking about your content, or your content is being lumped in with the AI slop since there’s so much of it, and anime AI is getting so good these days you can’t tell at a casual glance.

I don’t maximize for that.

Critical mass.

You literally do, though. You just said you do. Everyone does, god knows I do, but I have the courtesy to marking my NSFW as NSFW since I’m confident that people who are interested in my content can just look it up. I don’t know why you think the people interested in your content can’t do the same, especially when you curate an extremely helpful list of communities related to the topic.

See, I don’t even care about this (beyond that I think the culture of ridiculously exploitative depictions of women in anime being defended as “not technically porn” is the root of some incredibly toxic aspects of modern culture, which is a completely separate issue I admit) it’s just bizarre how hostile people are to being asked to use the one tool we have to separate content.

(edit: also you’re trying to conflate adult-targeted content with a long and entrenched history of sexism with music preferences, and I know you know that’s a false equivalency. sheesh.)

Sure, contributing is better for communities than consuming. No argument there.

Oh boy am I not up for dealing with a point-by-point right now, so in no particular order:

Engagement is any interaction, including viewing, from a user. An appreciative audience is one that wants to view it. Why is Thighdeology marked nsfw on reddit, yet still a hugely popular subreddit, but somehow that would be a deathknell for it to be the same on lemmy? Your list includes none of the many AI-specific anime art communities that are out there, I think you need to be a bit more proactive in your browsing. Asking people to specify every word they don’t want to be exposed to is absurd, when there’s already one single and very easy to append word - NSFW - that you are ardently rejecting on the basis that it would damage your interactions.

Additionally people shouldn’t have to expose themselves to everything they don’t want to be exposed to before they can block it - there’s no way to know about something without interacting with it, but if you don’t want sexualized (but arguably non-explicit) images of anime girls in your feed, you’d have to go through and view a bunch of them before you can block it. Surely you can see how that’s… pretty ridiculous? Potentially very demeaning?

Okay sure, but why are we considering the people who don’t want to see that content as worth less than the people who do? For that matter, why is engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience? People are railing against people that downvote in /all as well, but what’s the alternative to express that they don’t want to see that content - blocking entire instances is an overly broad approach except in some specific cases (lemmy.nsfw for example) and blocking community by community is exhausting, given how many new highly specific “anime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hair” communities crop up daily. Downvoting expresses disinterest, and it’s apparently common enough to see things you’re not interested in that “not downvoting in /all” is being pushed as basic courtesy. Asking them to tag things NSFW, or even just bringing out a different tag that isn’t blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request that at the very least solves the downvoting problem, among others (it’s hard to bring on new users when a site gets a reputation for being overrun with anime fanservice communities, for example)

So… nothing being presented here would affect you at all, then? If you don’t have NSFW content blocked, and your instance manually reviews blocked instances, marking softcore stuff as NSFW wouldn’t change how you interact with that content (unless your instance is overly zealous in blocking). So what’s the problem here?

Mmk. So?

… What?

Sure but if I wanted to do that, I’d just… doordash… or something…
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Okay I think the poor metaphor has had enough (read: I’m too dumb to carry it on). And I agree, but if I was just after new content I’d just go to reddit or my RSS feed and be content with that content. Part of the goal in transitioning to lemmy is to find new sources of content on lemmy, which just requires effort in sifting thru things like /all until you’ve built up enough to reasonably contribute to / consume / comment on / etc.

To torture a metaphor, right now it’s more like driving to McDonald’s after having a pretty basic meal two days earlier. I agree that ultimately you’re right, but given just how small most developing communities are, it’s pretty reasonable to look around to find new things to engage with. If nobody did that I think lemmy might just fizzle out as a network, it’s just too small to really support the kind of curated feed we’re used to with larger sites like reddit/twitter/insta. The addictive nature of those sites is a good debate for a separate time, but in this case even getting to the level of “please enjoy responsibly” requires quite a bit of searching around.

Nah it’s a genuinely interesting tangent, and I do agree that there’s a great deal still to be done to really get the most out of AP as a protocol. I worry that adoption for non-platformed methods of interaction would be extremely low, just because of the increased barrier to entry. Part of the reason I’m on Lemmy instead of finishing my own AP browsing application is just the time investment that I’m unwilling to put in, and as customization goes up the time cost of configuring your setup similarly increases. But I do agree that there’s a better solution than what we have now.

I’m not really up for a discussion on the foundational concept of ethos since it’s like 5am here, but conversations like this thread are pretty fundamental to how every human endeavor functions (hence why they’re broadly called ‘forums’). I don’t expect everyone to always do the “right thing” (nor do I want to litigate the minutiae of what “right thing” could mean in this context), but giving up on the entire idea of having a guideline to follow just because some people won’t seems a little defeatist.

Lemmy is still extremely new, and finding new communities to help grow (or even just finding new sources of content to consume, which is similarly valid) is fairly difficult without resorting to the one tool we have to help discover them. I’d wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly. At least, that’s what I do, and I’m really very confident in my not-even-being-slightly-not-basic.

But it’s never stopped meaning that, though? It’s still extremely commonly used to tag that sort of content, and I don’t know why you’re starting to insist that words don’t mean the things they say.

The situations in which you’re watching any alternative media in a workplace setting are potentially fraught with reprimand, though. “You’re there on work time being on your phone is literally theft” and all that hyperbolic corpo BS. But during times you can be on your phone, it’s still broadly less acceptable to be watching “haurhi jiggles up and down [nightcore] [bigtits]” videos than it would be watching generic videogame content.

I think it might be too early in the life of the fediverse to completely dispense with the underlaying concept - we’ve only barely gotten enough users to have unique-to-lemmy content - but it’s an interesting article & a similarly interesting take. Certainly something should be done to increase new communities ‘discoverability’ to the broad userbase. The current /all algo is already a huge improvement over the very early days, so there’s probably value in developing the idea further (including potentially adopting that social graph idea, though implementation would be… difficult, while maintaining the decentralized control the fediverse was explicitly designed to have)

Why can’t we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven. That’s kinda how all of human society is able to function.

I don’t really know what you’re trying to say about linux communities or my workflow - that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of. Not all communities follow strict naming guidelines, let alone tagging guidelines, and it’s actually a real problem onboarding new users to the fediverse (mastadon’s “where is the content” meme, for example)

So you’re good with everything except the nipple? I mean, I’m not even particularly hardline about this topic, that just seems like a really really niche use case that you want catered to

I think it’s a habit carried over from reddit’s algo, which would rank communities you downvote as less likely to be shown to you. People don’t really understand how the /all algo works on lemmy (which as I understand it is just the most recently interacted things on the network, blatted out of a hose?)

It wasn’t in my building, but the maintenance building was on the same campus and they were for triggering avalanches. I think you’d probably have to be chopped up pretty fine to fit in them though (I think we can all agree that would be NSFW content…) but you could probably manage it. And man, IDK. The DOT howitzers teams are never hiring, believe me I check regularly.