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They get money from Google, advertisements, and selling data. Did you think Mozilla made it without paying their employees and executives?

Money for their executives

“…from email to LLMs, that nobody self-hosts”

As someone that self-hosts those things, both professionally and personally, I’m gonna have to disagree. I wish more did, but there are plenty of self-hosters out there, they just don’t get headlines.

Yes. I find a lot of people actually learn what they are talking about before talking about it. I also find that a lot of people read what I write, and address those points, rather than points that I never made.

And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.

Citation requested

Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You’ll find it.

Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

That’s not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn’t let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it’s executives.

Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don’t.

Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn’t. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less

Honestly? it sounds like you don’t care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So… maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

I have. But you clearly didn’t read what I posted. If you aren’t going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?

I find some sites like that, but for the most part, if not having JS breaks the site, then I just move on. It’s very rare that there is only one website where I can find the information that I need.

I also have it set up so that it’s just one button to re-enable JS, so it’s quick and easy to turn on if I decide to do so.

The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn’t let them do that.

Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla’s resources.

I feel like I’m mis-understanding your argument. Are you saying that Mozilla can’t do things that other groups are already successfully doing, because “The popular people make too much money” doing it, and “They are already getting that via the Mozilla Foundation”?

That doesn’t make sense to me.

But these executives clearly don’t have the right skills, so they should get less pay.

But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don’t have the right skills and connections. It’s not just this one, it’s a systemic issue for them.

Because they keep betraying their supposed values for short-term gains.

What about Wikipeida? Internet Archive? All of the products/services that live on kickstarter/patreon/gofundme/etc?

People are more than willing to pay for the things that they love, but Mozilla knows that people wouldn’t be willing to pay enough to continue floating the Executive salaries. That’s why they don’t transition.

I’ve gone to disabling JS by default, and only whitelisting sites that I want. It’s made things much simpler for me.

Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery.

It doesn’t take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average.

Just because they earn more than you does not mean they’re overpaid.

I don’t care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox’s market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse.

Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves?

Some random dude promising to “donate from time to time” is not a valid business model.

A lot of people donating, while not spending that money on dumb projects, and worse exectutives is a valid business model. Mozilla just doesn’t want to do that, because they care more about their executives than they care about Firefox.

They could try asking for donations, while getting rid of the massive drains on their budget.

IIRC, you can’t even donate to Firefox. You can only donate to Mozilla. It seems pretty clear to me why they set it up that way…

I will never understand why businesses want to let someone else control their infrastructure. Putting your money-maker in someone else’s hands is just telling them that it’s OK to give you the squeeze later.