Salami slicing tactic is a bit different, it’s putting separate elementary components of a mechanism by themselves, carefully. Until it’s whole and can be turned on.

It’s what the Silicon Valley people have done with the Internet. Since its creation, I mean. It’s designed as a totalitarian system. I wonder if there are backdoors in the IP protocol, or at least BSD reference stack that was adopted by almost everyone. But even if there are none, the system itself is architecturally ephemeral where democratic mechanisms can put a base, and perpetual where authoritarian ones can put a base. It’s centered on “who talks to whom” and not on “which messages are preserved and propagated and on which subjects”. Some brilliant minds are on the wrong side.

Or maybe I’m having a bipolar psychosis again and need to take my pills. Or maybe both.

Called power imbalance.

Well, yeah, what I meant is that “separate but equal” and a few other variants are really, sincerely, existent here. Which is why people in Russia of the village bum kind sometimes like Confederates, but if they’d meet a white person from the US really thinking shit of descendants of people their ancestors had enslaved, and thinking they are worse, there’d be livid fury. But it’s overall different, even neo-Nazis here are usually about hostility to people of some groups, and about “purity of race” and “it’s our land, let them go back to <T>”, but the “some being better than others” and the “right to enslave and treat badly” things look completely wild from here even for many neo-Nazis.

So - what happens if you say publicly to a crowd of “old white dudes”, preferably of the middle-upper social layer, that white people are absolutely just as good as black people?

Leads me to a question, like someone from Russia where we have our problem of casual racism, but not quite the clean nature of the US one, we have racism very diverse and dependent on the context (some think A are better than B, some that they are equal, but A and B sleeping together warrant a murder, some that A are better than B, but them sleeping together is fine, some that A and B are equal, but should be eternally hostile and don’t owe each other noble conduct, or maybe both inequality and segregation, but noble conduct is owed always … we have multitude of kinds, and for multitude of separations, and in general it’s not a clear and firm problem).

And by you using such a designation it seems you are from the US.

How do your non-supremacists (average people) react to a statement that they are exactly as good as black people? How do your supremacists react to such?

(Say, here the first kind would generally not understand why would you say that, or laugh and joke something about how in the ideal world you would be right ; and the second kind would generally respond with sarcasm.)

Unions’ power is in being inclusive. Ideology makes divisions.

No way. Someone is looking into an open window. Wow.

As a user land developer, you can have glibc or musl, initd or systemd. Is dbus being used? They all work differently.

I would expect Windows RT and Windows CE to somewhat differ too. Despite being NT.

Why would an application developer care about the init system? Start scripts and units for demonized stuff can be honestly made by users and maintainers, if that’s expected to be packaged. If it’s not, it’s half an hour of googling to make functional enough ones for most purposes.

DBus is such a common thing that there are applications not working without it running, and nobody really complains. You can assume it is, or you can ignore its existence. That’s changed by installing\uninstalling DBus. Not a difference between two operating systems, LOL.

glibc or musl - yeah. Different enough. Still the OS is the same, can use a musl chroot from a glibc system. Can use as many chroots as you want.

I am genuinely unsure if you’re so out of touch that you think the average lemmy user doesn’t deserve to have opinions that deviate from your own (otherwise they’re uneducated, uncultured swine to you, apparently), or you’re so high on your ego, a hit stronger than a laced joint, that your only way to respond is to elevate your podium and attempt to lower your opposition’s.

Neither, I just wanted you to substantiate your opinions instead of making up sophisticated insults, and since you didn’t, did the same. I don’t care if a specific opinion deviates from mine, is similar to mine, is completely opposite or orthogonal or however one could describe full disconnect between our realities, I engage in arguments to get some valuable matter of discussion.

It’s also kinda hard to be friendly when someone isn’t even trying.

Hello from the second day by the way. Coffee was delicious.

More of a tea person, honestly, don’t like how coffee affects my blood pressure and ability to concentrate. But good for you.

You probably should be busy in manual agricultural work then.

Since unions are about common interest and ideally orthogonal to ideology, I’ll add that my subjective interest, as someone living in Russia, is that US tech workers were offshored and/or replaced by immigrants. Because that will long-term weaken the US as an aggressive nation, by losing qualifications.

At the same time if US tech unionized, that could mean weakening the incentive for that aggressive behavior, and weakening big companies.

Hard to decide really. Basically the only bad variant is if it’s half-done, enough unionization to stabilize, but also not too much so that they’d still have enormous foreign labor resources. That would mean very powerful corporations and no change in politics.

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/LICENSES/preferred/GPL-2.0 (Direct link to the GPL 2.0 license, since you likely don’t have the initiative to scroll 10% down the page)

It’s very telling to even expect that someone here doesn’t know what GPL is.

take the time to read and download The Cathedral and The Bazaar so you can read arguments for the current model that aren’t fresh from your ass

It’s probable that I’ve been a Linux user and interested in it for longer than you, and I’ve read Raymond’s thing at least 12 years ago. I’ve also read some counterarguments.

BTW, at this current point in time I’m again closer to the “bazaar” than to the “cathedral” side of the argument. And Linux isn’t.

In general, having a text in support of something is not a final argument. Honestly it’s weird to encounter it being used as such from someone who’s likely literate more than in first generation.

I’m fine with arguments fresh from my ass if those are more than you can present. And that’s how arguments among intelligent people work, FYI.

Oh and Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas called, he wants his misrepresentation of dialectics and philosophy back, you ignoramus prick.

It’s unfortunate that your intelligence doesn’t allow you to see how clumsy this is, to call someone names instead of, again, providing arguments.

and return to monkey

Yippikayee mothafocka

Oh. It’s you again. Good to see your shallow takes haven’t changed.

I don’t remember you, but I get Dunning-Krueger vibes from things you write which seem to be typical “Linux as a success story” quotes without insight.

Can’t you have the foresight to actually read and research

I prefer to observe them in the wild. I mean, that is what’s called research, but it strongly seems that you by research mean something else.

why things like the FOSS projects we rely on are validated? Linux is owned by no one, and is used by everyone who wants to.

This is as fallacious as “scientific communism” and for the same reason. Because there are dimensions of this where the general consensus of those actually applying resources is neutrality, where it works as you say, and there are dimensions where it’s not.

Or you might read that Karl Popper’s article on the blind zones of dialectics. Corporate participation in a big common open project works similarly to dialectics.

Corporate users are a feature, not a bug, and if anything, their adoption does more to cement the success of the project more than anything else.

Having a stronger Prussia did nothing of the sort for the HRE, and having Ustinov as minister of defense with all his power did nothing of the sort for the USSR, and Google did nothing of the sort for the Web.

But I prefer to live this through with many things today, rather than try to fix it to my limited ability.

People were doing complex surgeries, making fighter jets, submarines and spaceships without what you seem to call a computer.

Also I can’t return to being an American because I’ve never been one.

And C64 is a computer, Radio-86RK is a computer, Amiga 500 is a very good computer.

Supersonic passenger planes have been built, before personal computers becoming anything common, but aren’t operated today.

And you most likely don’t live in a more than 60 story building, despite such being built.

And deliberately reducing your comfort is sometimes valuable, not everything should be entertainment.

Around year 1999. No particular reason, just it seems to have gained recognition and approval among the big fish then.

If by “when” you mean analytically, then when it stopped being “a hobby project started by a Finnish student with participation of volunteers from all around the world” and became one of the houses of power.

Yes, and the same can be said about Windows NT, yet it’s called one thing. Honestly I think I’m getting tired of American intelligence.

It’s an enormous centralized project upon which much of the world depends.

And if you think you can find an intentionally put backdoor in a buttfuckazillion lines of code without even looking, purely by intuition or trusting some random security specialists from the news, then I think you’ve lost the way.

It’s too complex and runs on too complex hardware. Honestly if we are going to look at any FOSS project with such hope, it should become a democracy first. A friendly reminder - Linux is a benevolent dictatorship, funded by corporations.

It is one thing. FreeBSD and NetBSD are not one thing. Linux is one thing.

And I meant Linux, not distributions and userlands, so you’re the troll here.

Honestly I think we missed the moment when Linux went the wrong path too.

Seems weird, but there’s another application of these models that for me doesn’t - to convert, say, usual webpages into webpages with proper semantic markup or something like that. For readability and scraping and what not.

Possibly even to make “self-adjusting” gateways representing, say, a social network webpage as an XMPP service. Or to use PGP for private messages in them. Something like that.

Anyway. Until someone does something like that, and that takes enormous amounts of work and discipline, that’s just blabber.