“Is this the America we live in?” said one parent. “And it was this stupid, stupid technology that is just going through picking up random words and not looking at context.”
I just want to point out a lot of you actively support this if it helps curb “hate speech” or fascists or nazis or whatever. But what can be used against the guilty may be used against the innocent so it is best that we do not allow it at all. Either all speech is free or none of it is, there’s no other way.
Not just any human. It should be a board certified child psychologist. They would be one of the few who could recognize a legitimate threat/concern or bullying from a poor joke or a stressed-out kid just venting with an empty threat. And on a positive ‘hit’, should just be a visit from the counselor to see what’s going on. IMO, psychologists should also be the only ones allowed to look at any of the info as they should know how to keep private conversations private if intervention is unnecessary.
The idea of the software does show some merits, but it is way, way too underdeveloped and grossly misused to be of any use.
i do not think you would find many people who actively support the use of artificial intelligence in the monitoring and moderating of hate speech or fascism. those things must be moderated and resisted by people who can be held accountable for mistakes or oversteps, not machines that can not be held accountable for anything.
Or we could have a legislation that would punish the companies that run these bullshit systems AND the authorities that allow and use them when they flop, like in this case.
Hey, dreaming is still free (don’t know how much longer though).
How can I say this, if you only dream while sitting on the couch, then alas, everything will end sadly. Although if you implant a neurochip into your brain, then you won’t be able to even dream lol. :3
The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
The person calling the cops
The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents
This has gone through too many hands to even start blaming the companies. anyone in this chain had the opportunity to do the right thing (ok, maybe the teens didn’t, they don’t know any better). Noone did.
Surveillance shouldn’t be so pervasive, but i have no issue with e.g. surveillance in a prison, maybe in a hospital (not in the patient rooms, but to make sure noone steals the good stuff or to make sure no patients are lost in a service tunnel), at a border, inside of police stations to make sure that prisoner rights are upheld, military bases for obvious reasons and so on.
Your society is the issue, and therefor surveillance is everywhere except where it would be useful.
You’re evidently an apologist for these crappy companies.
2 or 3 parents can’t do jack shit to avoid this, short of removing the kids from school and having them homeschooled.
There are 3 main factors that allow this shit to happen:
Companies with absolutely no values and only focusing on revenue, which ends up creating these bullshit AI “systems” that are broken as hell (Chatgpt 5 anyone?)
Lack of legislations to serve the people that voted for these legislators to live in a better society, but they choose to self-serve and allow the same shitty companies to do whatever they want AND sell their shit to institutions, like schools, law enforcement and such, so that they can get money from them
Authorities that use these same broken “systems”, don’t even test them correctly, and take for granted that they will work because they are too fucking lazy to even care, such as schools (that have authority over our kids because we have allowed it) and law enforcement (if they can even still be called that).
There is no way to justify any of the 3 factors as they exist today. These need to change if anything is to get better.
That there are parents that could be doing more to avoid this kind of shit? Absolutely. Will parents pushing for change do anything towards fixing it? Not if the other 3 factors don’t play their part as well.
And the reason fucking kids are so fragile today is because of us allowing everything to be called “bullying”. So, they joked about the tan, big fucking deal. Learn to take a fucking joke or go live in a cave.
nah, i don’t like the companies myself, i run my models locally to be independent from them. Venture capital is trying to cram it everywhere, i agree on that point. But the issue in this case is that not one person in the long chain of people did care at all, not that a chatbot flagged the word “kill”; that would have happened with a simple word filter as well.
I also agree that your system is crap and you deserve a better government that cares for people, but since not enough people vote for people and parties like that, we must assume that the majority of voters in the US either dont care or WANT a strong leader to decide for them, they want surveillance to feel save (even tho it doesn’t help with safety at all!), and that this majority is racist as well, or else the skin color of the girl wouldn’t even be a conversation point. It was in the open for what Trump and Project 2025 stood - and they didn’t even stop with the presidency, they gave him the senate too to make sure their agenda gets their way. The rest is simply a consequence of that - this society consists of indifferent, partly hateful, partly racist people.
Kids are brutal and often cruel, especially to their classmates. They brought a girl to the point where she hated the color of her skin so much that she made a “joke” to kill the ethnic group so she wouldn’t be associated with that anymore. Here we are again: hateful, racist people have hateful, racist kids that bully others over skin color.
The solution? I’m not sure. It will take a lot of time and multiple generations; and it probably will only happen if the US loses a lot of it’s power or breaks up into multiple states.
I kind of agree with you. Things in the US (and most of the rest of the world) have taken a turn for the worst. I’ve been digging into all that’s been going on since January, and comparing it with how the nazi party came to be in power in Germany, and the similarities are scary, to say the least. Sure, it’s towards other races more than anything, as well as religions, sexual preferences and other key differentiator, but the core is exactly the same. How the Nazi party got most Germans to believe that being German meant hating jews, blacks and who knows what else, and that’s what made the holocaust so effective. Propaganda pushing hate and dividing the same country. If we go back in history, we can see all the same bullshit propaganda from those days today.
And, full disclosure, I am not opposed to countries controlling illegal immigration, as not doing so is extremely detrimental to any country, however, there is no need to completely destroy people (mentally, spiritually and sometimes even physically) to achieve these goals.
It is as you say. Americans are focused on the lie that surveillance will make them safer, and this government has exacerbated that exponentially in just half a year, using fear as the tool, and fear of immigrants, LGBT people, any skin color difference, and many more.
Now, let’s look at the other side of this. By promoting all this crap, the US has managed to make previous allies look at the possibility of moving to the other side. China, Russia, India and a few more countries have all but created their own “UN”, and contrary to what the media is showing us, they are actually flourishing, which points to a dramatic shift in global politics.
The UK, EU and Australia are leading the surveillance regimes, even for the US (visa, mastercard and steam are US companies, and all 3 were bullied into submission by a fucking Australian NGO, fucking up millions of US gamers in the process, and the authorities of the US haven’t even blinked, WTF?), which is building rapidly into a distrust climate among all allies (assuming they still are).
This is way more complex than war, surveillance, racism, xenophobia and finances, this is the decline of the Roman Empire all over again, bringing with it all the disasters to civilization that comes with this fall.
Money as we knew it doesn’t exist anymore (it hasn’t been based in gold for decades now, and now there is no physical base for it either), values have been stripped from morals in every single community (religious or not), existing weapons could destroy every living being on the planet within a couple of hours, and everyone seems to be blindly following so-called “leaders” that are only looking after their own benefits (and I’m talking about every facet of our civilization: business, work, families, governments, nobody gives a fuck about the common wellbeing anymore).
From my perspective, it falls on each of us to take the best care possible of our families, if and when we achieve this, do the same for our immediate communities, and if that pans out, then each of our countries. But I’m not counting on any “leader” to do what is needed to reverse the downward spiel the whole world is in right now. At this rate, we’re all just going to crash and burn.
Sorry for the horrible and long rant, I am extremely frustrated watching the world my kids will have to try to survive in, and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.
I just want to point out a lot of you actively support this if it helps curb “hate speech” or fascists or nazis or whatever. But what can be used against the guilty may be used against the innocent so it is best that we do not allow it at all. Either all speech is free or none of it is, there’s no other way.
Nope. It should be reviewed by a human, and the response should be proportionate.
Not just any human. It should be a board certified child psychologist. They would be one of the few who could recognize a legitimate threat/concern or bullying from a poor joke or a stressed-out kid just venting with an empty threat. And on a positive ‘hit’, should just be a visit from the counselor to see what’s going on. IMO, psychologists should also be the only ones allowed to look at any of the info as they should know how to keep private conversations private if intervention is unnecessary.
The idea of the software does show some merits, but it is way, way too underdeveloped and grossly misused to be of any use.
i do not think you would find many people who actively support the use of artificial intelligence in the monitoring and moderating of hate speech or fascism. those things must be moderated and resisted by people who can be held accountable for mistakes or oversteps, not machines that can not be held accountable for anything.
Or we could have a legislation that would punish the companies that run these bullshit systems AND the authorities that allow and use them when they flop, like in this case.
Hey, dreaming is still free (don’t know how much longer though).
How can I say this, if you only dream while sitting on the couch, then alas, everything will end sadly. Although if you implant a neurochip into your brain, then you won’t be able to even dream lol. :3
The problem is a societal one. lets see:
This has gone through too many hands to even start blaming the companies. anyone in this chain had the opportunity to do the right thing (ok, maybe the teens didn’t, they don’t know any better). Noone did.
Surveillance shouldn’t be so pervasive, but i have no issue with e.g. surveillance in a prison, maybe in a hospital (not in the patient rooms, but to make sure noone steals the good stuff or to make sure no patients are lost in a service tunnel), at a border, inside of police stations to make sure that prisoner rights are upheld, military bases for obvious reasons and so on.
Your society is the issue, and therefor surveillance is everywhere except where it would be useful.
You’re evidently an apologist for these crappy companies.
2 or 3 parents can’t do jack shit to avoid this, short of removing the kids from school and having them homeschooled.
There are 3 main factors that allow this shit to happen:
There is no way to justify any of the 3 factors as they exist today. These need to change if anything is to get better.
That there are parents that could be doing more to avoid this kind of shit? Absolutely. Will parents pushing for change do anything towards fixing it? Not if the other 3 factors don’t play their part as well.
And the reason fucking kids are so fragile today is because of us allowing everything to be called “bullying”. So, they joked about the tan, big fucking deal. Learn to take a fucking joke or go live in a cave.
Get fucking real.
nah, i don’t like the companies myself, i run my models locally to be independent from them. Venture capital is trying to cram it everywhere, i agree on that point. But the issue in this case is that not one person in the long chain of people did care at all, not that a chatbot flagged the word “kill”; that would have happened with a simple word filter as well.
I also agree that your system is crap and you deserve a better government that cares for people, but since not enough people vote for people and parties like that, we must assume that the majority of voters in the US either dont care or WANT a strong leader to decide for them, they want surveillance to feel save (even tho it doesn’t help with safety at all!), and that this majority is racist as well, or else the skin color of the girl wouldn’t even be a conversation point. It was in the open for what Trump and Project 2025 stood - and they didn’t even stop with the presidency, they gave him the senate too to make sure their agenda gets their way. The rest is simply a consequence of that - this society consists of indifferent, partly hateful, partly racist people.
Kids are brutal and often cruel, especially to their classmates. They brought a girl to the point where she hated the color of her skin so much that she made a “joke” to kill the ethnic group so she wouldn’t be associated with that anymore. Here we are again: hateful, racist people have hateful, racist kids that bully others over skin color.
The solution? I’m not sure. It will take a lot of time and multiple generations; and it probably will only happen if the US loses a lot of it’s power or breaks up into multiple states.
I kind of agree with you. Things in the US (and most of the rest of the world) have taken a turn for the worst. I’ve been digging into all that’s been going on since January, and comparing it with how the nazi party came to be in power in Germany, and the similarities are scary, to say the least. Sure, it’s towards other races more than anything, as well as religions, sexual preferences and other key differentiator, but the core is exactly the same. How the Nazi party got most Germans to believe that being German meant hating jews, blacks and who knows what else, and that’s what made the holocaust so effective. Propaganda pushing hate and dividing the same country. If we go back in history, we can see all the same bullshit propaganda from those days today.
And, full disclosure, I am not opposed to countries controlling illegal immigration, as not doing so is extremely detrimental to any country, however, there is no need to completely destroy people (mentally, spiritually and sometimes even physically) to achieve these goals.
It is as you say. Americans are focused on the lie that surveillance will make them safer, and this government has exacerbated that exponentially in just half a year, using fear as the tool, and fear of immigrants, LGBT people, any skin color difference, and many more.
Now, let’s look at the other side of this. By promoting all this crap, the US has managed to make previous allies look at the possibility of moving to the other side. China, Russia, India and a few more countries have all but created their own “UN”, and contrary to what the media is showing us, they are actually flourishing, which points to a dramatic shift in global politics.
The UK, EU and Australia are leading the surveillance regimes, even for the US (visa, mastercard and steam are US companies, and all 3 were bullied into submission by a fucking Australian NGO, fucking up millions of US gamers in the process, and the authorities of the US haven’t even blinked, WTF?), which is building rapidly into a distrust climate among all allies (assuming they still are).
This is way more complex than war, surveillance, racism, xenophobia and finances, this is the decline of the Roman Empire all over again, bringing with it all the disasters to civilization that comes with this fall.
Money as we knew it doesn’t exist anymore (it hasn’t been based in gold for decades now, and now there is no physical base for it either), values have been stripped from morals in every single community (religious or not), existing weapons could destroy every living being on the planet within a couple of hours, and everyone seems to be blindly following so-called “leaders” that are only looking after their own benefits (and I’m talking about every facet of our civilization: business, work, families, governments, nobody gives a fuck about the common wellbeing anymore).
From my perspective, it falls on each of us to take the best care possible of our families, if and when we achieve this, do the same for our immediate communities, and if that pans out, then each of our countries. But I’m not counting on any “leader” to do what is needed to reverse the downward spiel the whole world is in right now. At this rate, we’re all just going to crash and burn.
Sorry for the horrible and long rant, I am extremely frustrated watching the world my kids will have to try to survive in, and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.