Yeah and why the big deal? I didn’t notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn’t mean I think they should be excluded.
Why tolerate the intolerant? They can host whatever they want, but there’s no reason not to exclude them if they intend on bringing harm. Tbh the word “excluded” doesn’t really fit, exclusion would be like someone getting kicked out of a bar, defederating would be more like the bouncer not letting you in.
At the end of the day even if it’s gonna be defederated by every other instance, nobody’s gonna forbid them from starting their own “bar” like the one shown, which means they’re not really excluded from the fediverse.
Sure they should. Their entire online presence revolves around hurting people they dislike.Has there ever been a forum they contributed positively too?
Too many people give these jackholes the benefit of the doubt. “They don’t think trans people should exist. I don’t agree, but we have to hear them out” is a cowards line that puts their freedumb of speech above trans people’s right to exist.
I hope we’ve learned that lesson by now. Sure, wait for them to break a rule or whatever. Maybe this is just one guy and maybe it’s just going to sit there. But the moment they start talking—because we all know what they’re going to say—give them the bums’ rush.
Oh hey no I don’t think we have to hear them out. Especially not if they’re coming out with hate speech - that shit should always be smacked down hard. When they start doing that, we can defed the fuckers - but they haven’t done that yet.
Maybe I’m too soft, I just don’t wanna see lemmy turn into an echo chamber.
Bad faith answer, though. MAGA cunts aren’t “conservatives”, they are outright fascists.
If you want conservative, you’d have to look at people who just want the status quo. In other words, the more milquetoast Christian democrats.
The fediverse is for ‘everyone’, but that doesn’t mean we put up with fascists. It’s only for people who aren’t batshit insane. In other words, not for fascists and transphobes.
If you identify with conservatism, as in, going to Church, wanting a traditional family yourself – by all means you’re welcome! so long as that means you let others also have their own life that might not involve those, and don’t hate or question their lifestyle.
but if you’re a fascist or transphobe, then get the fuck out here and go touch grass
The good thing is that all sane instances can just defederate and we won’t have to deal with them. They can use the software all they want, and we can shut them out from our spaces all we want.
Yeah I guess I failed to distinguish between maga and conservatives. I don’t want to see lemmy become an echo chamber, and usually you can disagree but debate with conservatives. Fascists, not so much. Don’t get me wrong, I think Nazis should be stomped online and out in the world - I just haven’t seen anything yet from this instance to justify that.
I actually feel kinda sorry for oldskool conservatives - I don’t agree with em, but they must feel politically homeless these days.
Yeah I guess I failed to distinguish between maga and conservatives
To be fair, the entire Republican party seems to be all about blurring that line right now. I think the big challenge is Trump awakened something in folks who haven’t been politically active in a very long time, and because they haven’t been politically active, they aren’t coming into politics with a clear ideology or set of policies they want to see passed other than “I like trump!” Which is probably a big part of why we just have a bunch of attempts at turning his presidency into a dictatorship and state-sponsored racism as the only clear policy trump actually cares about, and any policies that are directly enriching large businesses are just a case of those with deep pockets cozying up to folks in power with loose morals.
But let’s be real, the Republican party hasn’t been about conservatism for quite a while. They’ve definitely been coasting off of pure brand recognition with occasional injections of christofascism and state sponsored violence against minorities to help maintain their old jim crow roots. They’ve successfully cultivated a culture of being Republican, so they can do what they want policy-wise and still reliably win around a third of the elections in the country without resorting to voter suppression, and they can reliably win about half of the elections in the country with voter suppression
Sounds like they explicitly don’t want to federate. Unless it’s a parody site, I guess.
I remember when /r/the_Donald was just “parody”. Remember what happened there?
I mean, remember what more recently happened with /c/conservative?
It’s entirely possible it’s a spectacularly successful trolling mission by one person.
Seriously, look how many people are up in arms about an instance with one user.
Yeah and why the big deal? I didn’t notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn’t mean I think they should be excluded.
Why tolerate the intolerant? They can host whatever they want, but there’s no reason not to exclude them if they intend on bringing harm. Tbh the word “excluded” doesn’t really fit, exclusion would be like someone getting kicked out of a bar, defederating would be more like the bouncer not letting you in.
At the end of the day even if it’s gonna be defederated by every other instance, nobody’s gonna forbid them from starting their own “bar” like the one shown, which means they’re not really excluded from the fediverse.
Sure they should. Their entire online presence revolves around hurting people they dislike.Has there ever been a forum they contributed positively too?
Too many people give these jackholes the benefit of the doubt. “They don’t think trans people should exist. I don’t agree, but we have to hear them out” is a cowards line that puts their freedumb of speech above trans people’s right to exist.
I hope we’ve learned that lesson by now. Sure, wait for them to break a rule or whatever. Maybe this is just one guy and maybe it’s just going to sit there. But the moment they start talking—because we all know what they’re going to say—give them the bums’ rush.
Oh hey no I don’t think we have to hear them out. Especially not if they’re coming out with hate speech - that shit should always be smacked down hard. When they start doing that, we can defed the fuckers - but they haven’t done that yet.
Maybe I’m too soft, I just don’t wanna see lemmy turn into an echo chamber.
People don’t want to federate with MAGA-themed instances.
Bad faith answer, though. MAGA cunts aren’t “conservatives”, they are outright fascists.
If you want conservative, you’d have to look at people who just want the status quo. In other words, the more milquetoast Christian democrats.
The fediverse is for ‘everyone’, but that doesn’t mean we put up with fascists. It’s only for people who aren’t batshit insane. In other words, not for fascists and transphobes.
If you identify with conservatism, as in, going to Church, wanting a traditional family yourself – by all means you’re welcome! so long as that means you let others also have their own life that might not involve those, and don’t hate or question their lifestyle.
but if you’re a fascist or transphobe, then get the fuck out here and go touch grass
The good thing is that all sane instances can just defederate and we won’t have to deal with them. They can use the software all they want, and we can shut them out from our spaces all we want.
Maga is conservatism. Stop trying to separate the two, they are the same fucking thing.
Yeah I guess I failed to distinguish between maga and conservatives. I don’t want to see lemmy become an echo chamber, and usually you can disagree but debate with conservatives. Fascists, not so much. Don’t get me wrong, I think Nazis should be stomped online and out in the world - I just haven’t seen anything yet from this instance to justify that.
I actually feel kinda sorry for oldskool conservatives - I don’t agree with em, but they must feel politically homeless these days.
But yeah, bigots can fuck right off.
To be fair, the entire Republican party seems to be all about blurring that line right now. I think the big challenge is Trump awakened something in folks who haven’t been politically active in a very long time, and because they haven’t been politically active, they aren’t coming into politics with a clear ideology or set of policies they want to see passed other than “I like trump!” Which is probably a big part of why we just have a bunch of attempts at turning his presidency into a dictatorship and state-sponsored racism as the only clear policy trump actually cares about, and any policies that are directly enriching large businesses are just a case of those with deep pockets cozying up to folks in power with loose morals.
But let’s be real, the Republican party hasn’t been about conservatism for quite a while. They’ve definitely been coasting off of pure brand recognition with occasional injections of christofascism and state sponsored violence against minorities to help maintain their old jim crow roots. They’ve successfully cultivated a culture of being Republican, so they can do what they want policy-wise and still reliably win around a third of the elections in the country without resorting to voter suppression, and they can reliably win about half of the elections in the country with voter suppression