• DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 hours ago

    I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.

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      Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.

      I beg to differ. The “american ideals” are to be economically prosperous, to open and run your own business, to take what is other’s (indian land), without regrets or looking back.

      What i’m saying is that’s exactly what Trump thinks he’s doing. He’s not actually helping american businesses but he and his voters probably think that’s what he’s doing. So, the people themselves see it as very american.

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      They are so immersed in the Conservative Propaganda Machine that they are literally living in an alternative reality from 2/3 of America, and the entire rest of the planet. They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.

      And for some reason, the “intelligent” people that we have elected to protect us from such silliness, has decided to pretend that the MAGA nonsense, treason, and corruption, should be respected, and indulged.

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        They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.

        I think that their ENEMY is actually poverty, i.e. many people struggle economically to make a living. This is due to the progress of time (automation leads to fewer jobs), but since time itself is invisible to many people, they try to find a material, outside enemy. And that’s why they blame (brown) immigration and queer people, because they appeared at the same time (in public, in the case of queer people) as the decline of living standards. So people see that and conflate correlation with causation, and blame these groups.

        What’s important to me is whether people think about the situation and try to make good conclusions and proposals. What matters to me is whether MAGA actually tries to improve people’s living condition, instead of just mindlessly trying to hurt people. If they actually try to improve things, i can talk to them and find meaningful paths forward. If they’re just trying to hurt people, such a thing is impossible. So to me, it very much matters why they’re doing this. That’s what i’m researching, and also how to make meaningful plans that are in their interest that actually bring the country forward, instead of just creating more difficulties.

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          I know this is a lot of text all at once, but while i’m here, let me tell you that i think that it’s important that there’s a heavy investment in human spaceflight and especially in settling mars.

          I’m not saying that for some delusional reasons of science fiction, but because of the very real and very heavy economic advantages that it has. A massive spaceflight program would create a lot of jobs (if you invest $1b in spaceflight, where does the money go? it goes towards companies that try to build the rockets and necessary machinery, and a large part of that money goes towards jobs and construction materials, so the money continues to circulate in the country.)

          And jobs are one of the two very important things that people need to live: food and jobs. Let me illustrate this:

          As time progresses forward, we have more resources available (because our production systems work better, as they get improved all the time). but at the same time, a lot of production systems get automated and that reduces the number of jobs. Since people need jobs, new parts of the market need to be developed continuously.

          What i’m saying is that if there’s a massive push towards spaceflight, somebody will have to build all of the necessary machinery, equipment, and such, and that would create a lot of jobs. It’s especially important for american people to have jobs, because americans are typically biased towards enterpreneurship and such, and that’s only possible when there’s business to be done. i think that’s a very important aspect of american society. also, martian human settlement would have the advantage that there’s real progress (new lands being explored) and that would also have some positive consequences.

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        they are literally living in an alternative reality

        Hmm, reminds me of a country that starts with R that the current US president’s trying to save.

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          Good luck to you, my friend. You have far more friends out here than you think. Look for us, we’ll help you.

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        2 hours ago

        They remain ‘united’ through fear. The most effective method to disarm them is to aggressively change their algorithms.

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      Which is why the opposition should reclaim the flag. It has become a religious fetish to MAGA, and the Left has to take it back, and reintroduce it as a symbol of Freedom, not treason pedophilia, and corruption.

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        They do the same thing with religion, they try to grift it while being exactly the opposite of what Christians believed in the past. The church has always been against slavery, even in like the 1500s, they aren’t perfect, but they are way away from Nazis. In America protestant white Christians poll as the group that hates human rights the most. They are also probably the least likely to help the poor or volunteer in a hospital or something. It’s just another grift for their fascist bullshit. Hitler did the same thing. He pretended to care about whatever his crowd cared about. It was all about power and always was.