The spectrum of antagonistic opinions is much wider than just hateful opinions. There are people who are totally fine with trans, but consider the minimum age for HRT should be higher, or it should have solid medical proofs of dysphoria actually happening, or people who consider that there are way too many people taking HRT nowadays who don’t really need it and are only tricked into it by the influence of social media, etc. It’s very easy to label them all as fascists and it’s happening all the time.
You chose a pretty poor example. People don’t spend years seeing doctors about transitioning without being slightly very gender disphoric. One trans dude I know literally had so many hoops to jump through including having multiple kids before they could finally convince their doctors to prescribe HRT because the doctors kept saying “well you might change your mind though! What if you want kids? What if you want to breastfeed? What if you just don’t like the way you look and that’s why you’re trying to transition?” Etc.
Or just look at the viral tweet of the one trans woman being like “yeah I offered a single hormone pill to my buddies as a joke and they all recoiled in horror”
A better example for holding actual debate would be arguing over how to approach the housing shortage in America, or the best approach to reducing the wealth gap. Basically anything where you can agree on the premise and debate policy. This is usually how I talk to republicans at work or in my family, I focus purely on policy because generally people can agree on problems that they can see, and if you can avoid the common turns of phrase that political pundits use you can probably even agree on some policy ideas. I had a brilliant conversation with some conservatives at work recently regarding insurance where we basically were all in agreement of “holy shit something has to change here now that we have multiple disasters a year wiping out entire cities and counties”
You chose a pretty poor example. People don’t spend years seeing doctors about transitioning without being slightly very gender disphoric.
Aren’t people who are NOT medically gender dysphoric able to receive HRT nowadays just because they want? I personally get an impression of trans becoming more like a subculture, and that teens can start transitioning just because it’s cool. Like, what was an emo and other kinds of scene kids in 2000s, now trans-culture occupies that niche to some extent. Which naturally raises concerns since it has way more serious consequences than just wearing a certain cloth and makeup.
I don’t work in healthcare and I have not needed gender affirming care myself so I can only rely on what I hear from the trans folks I know, and none of them had an easy time getting the healthcare they need. Everything I’ve heard indicates that it takes multiple years to begin receiving any kind of gender affirming healthcare outside of psychological so it’s not something people are going to go through on a whim. They have to be feeling a fairly significant amount of dysphoria to go through that much medical gaslighting and reach the first actually medical step of a prescription for HRT. But transgender, just like gender and sexuality is a spectrum. Some folks don’t want to do more than socially transition, some folks want to go all in but some will skip some procedures, and some are absolutely 100% and need to completely transition
There have however been actual pushes to try to create discorse exactly matching what you said “I’m not against trans people, I just think it’s too easy for kids to permanently modify their bodies for a fad!” And of course the more extreme version “you send you kid to school and they home fully transitioned! And if you try to do anything about it they tell you you’re endangering your child!” So definitely don’t trust anyone trying to spread this discourse
Aren’t people who are NOT medically gender dysphoric able to receive HRT nowadays
In civilised countries, yes. And that is a good thing. Not having dysphoria does not mean that someone is not trans and this gatekeeping is a huge part of the problem,
teens can start transitioning just because it’s cool.
This literally doesn’t happen and is just fear mongering.
Also it’s presenting transitioning as the only choice. Guess what, not transitioning and going through puberty with the hormones that your body produces is also a choice.
Interesting that comments like yours creep up in a time where the Trumptard propaganda machine tries to vilify trans people.
In civilised countries, yes. And that is a good thing. Not having dysphoria does not mean that someone is not trans and this gatekeeping is a huge part of the problem,
Imo, it’s best to gatekeep it as hard as possible for teens and make it a choice for 18+. For mostly the same reasons as many other limitations for kids/teens. So, if you’re 14, you can only get HRT if you have seriously thoroughly medically proven gender dysphoria, but for 18+ you can just have it as a choice.
This literally doesn’t happen and is just fear mongering.
Okay, hope you’re right, I can’t really judge what’s going on in America since I’m from country where trans are extremely rare. It’s probably an impression formed by social media that in America trans is almost like a teen subculture.
The spectrum of antagonistic opinions is much wider than just hateful opinions. There are people who are totally fine with trans, but consider the minimum age for HRT should be higher, or it should have solid medical proofs of dysphoria actually happening, or people who consider that there are way too many people taking HRT nowadays who don’t really need it and are only tricked into it by the influence of social media, etc. It’s very easy to label them all as fascists and it’s happening all the time.
You chose a pretty poor example. People don’t spend years seeing doctors about transitioning without being slightly very gender disphoric. One trans dude I know literally had so many hoops to jump through including having multiple kids before they could finally convince their doctors to prescribe HRT because the doctors kept saying “well you might change your mind though! What if you want kids? What if you want to breastfeed? What if you just don’t like the way you look and that’s why you’re trying to transition?” Etc.
Or just look at the viral tweet of the one trans woman being like “yeah I offered a single hormone pill to my buddies as a joke and they all recoiled in horror”
A better example for holding actual debate would be arguing over how to approach the housing shortage in America, or the best approach to reducing the wealth gap. Basically anything where you can agree on the premise and debate policy. This is usually how I talk to republicans at work or in my family, I focus purely on policy because generally people can agree on problems that they can see, and if you can avoid the common turns of phrase that political pundits use you can probably even agree on some policy ideas. I had a brilliant conversation with some conservatives at work recently regarding insurance where we basically were all in agreement of “holy shit something has to change here now that we have multiple disasters a year wiping out entire cities and counties”
Aren’t people who are NOT medically gender dysphoric able to receive HRT nowadays just because they want? I personally get an impression of trans becoming more like a subculture, and that teens can start transitioning just because it’s cool. Like, what was an emo and other kinds of scene kids in 2000s, now trans-culture occupies that niche to some extent. Which naturally raises concerns since it has way more serious consequences than just wearing a certain cloth and makeup.
I don’t work in healthcare and I have not needed gender affirming care myself so I can only rely on what I hear from the trans folks I know, and none of them had an easy time getting the healthcare they need. Everything I’ve heard indicates that it takes multiple years to begin receiving any kind of gender affirming healthcare outside of psychological so it’s not something people are going to go through on a whim. They have to be feeling a fairly significant amount of dysphoria to go through that much medical gaslighting and reach the first actually medical step of a prescription for HRT. But transgender, just like gender and sexuality is a spectrum. Some folks don’t want to do more than socially transition, some folks want to go all in but some will skip some procedures, and some are absolutely 100% and need to completely transition
There have however been actual pushes to try to create discorse exactly matching what you said “I’m not against trans people, I just think it’s too easy for kids to permanently modify their bodies for a fad!” And of course the more extreme version “you send you kid to school and they home fully transitioned! And if you try to do anything about it they tell you you’re endangering your child!” So definitely don’t trust anyone trying to spread this discourse
In civilised countries, yes. And that is a good thing. Not having dysphoria does not mean that someone is not trans and this gatekeeping is a huge part of the problem,
This literally doesn’t happen and is just fear mongering. Also it’s presenting transitioning as the only choice. Guess what, not transitioning and going through puberty with the hormones that your body produces is also a choice.
Interesting that comments like yours creep up in a time where the Trumptard propaganda machine tries to vilify trans people.
Imo, it’s best to gatekeep it as hard as possible for teens and make it a choice for 18+. For mostly the same reasons as many other limitations for kids/teens. So, if you’re 14, you can only get HRT if you have seriously thoroughly medically proven gender dysphoria, but for 18+ you can just have it as a choice.
Okay, hope you’re right, I can’t really judge what’s going on in America since I’m from country where trans are extremely rare. It’s probably an impression formed by social media that in America trans is almost like a teen subculture.
Except that literally nobody who’s not a Russian bot, has those “antagonistic opinions”.
Fact: fascists have caused millions of deaths.
Fact: most fascist accounts are bot accounts, from Russia, the US, and Israel.
Go educate yourself and read on Umberto Eco’s definitions of fascism.
This is obviously untrue, and with this faulty style of thinking you simply dismiss everything that isn’t exactly your opinion.
How is this relevant? No one is asking to listen to actual fascists.
horse race test?
Hormone replacement therapy.