One thing I’ve learned in the past 10 years is that Republicans always abandon their previous “core principles” with astonishing ease to chase the Party Line in goose step formation. Principles are never important to them. Only power. The real goals of the GOP are identical to INGSOC.

I am looking forward to seeing internet video of somebody pissing on his grave when the time comes.

I am calling on Traitorapist Trump to resign immediately, with the same authority over Trump as Trump has over Intel.

Welp, goodbye all non-corporate RND in almost all scientific development.

It’s actually much worse than that. Those who fail to understand history are condemned to repeat it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Trump is not just going to suppress real science, he will start actively promoting pseudo-science that he thinks will help him politically.

When the right wing dictatorship has safely grabbed full power, they are very likely to eventually take everyone’s guns away just because they can. They will suddenly start telling everyone that we have always been at war with East Asia and you better be a team player. And all the conservatives who have been conditioned to chase the Party Line in goose step formation and forfeit their previous principles will fall in line just like they always do. And within a few years 99% of everyone’s guns will be gone except for the regime.

Traitorapist Trump and the MANGA crowd are systematically enshitifying everything that made America great.

MAKE AMERICA NOT GREAT AGAIN

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237130669_How_the_Internet_came_to_be

Your own link proves my case. No where in your link does Cerf say that the Arpanet was not the beginning of the internet. If fact, he indicates the opposite of that.

[While still at DARPA, I formed an Internet Configuration Control Board…]

You would only have a leg to stand on if there was a moment in history when 2 or more similar sized networks combined to form the internet. But that is not what happened. What happened is that the Arpanet formed in 1969 with 4 nodes, and over the next 56 years grew bigger and bigger and bigger until there were billions of nodes. And it did that mostly by adding individual nodes. When it got too big for DARPA to manage it all, the name was changed from Arpanet to Internet.

I get it. You were taught in school that US government created the internet.

No, when I first started using the internet in 1982 when the internet had hundreds of nodes, I learned how this network was created by using FTP to get the papers that described it. But I get it. You watched a youtube video that covered the entire 56 year history of the internet and you got confused about the difference between the creation of the internet and the entire history of the internet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPL_network

[The NPL network, or NPL Data Communications Network, was a local area computer network]

Why did you even post this link? Your link literally refers to a “LOCAL area network”. The Arpanet/internet is a global network, not a local network. Your own links keep proving my points.

What we are discussing is the BEGINNING and CREATION of the internet, not the entire 56 year history of the internet. The internet did not start as a gigantic network with millions or billions of nodes. It started with 4 specific nodes in 1969 and then grew from there, and we both know that. The beginning was crucial because if there had never been a beginning in 1969 funded by the US DOD called Arpanet, there never would have been an Internet. There would have been no early network for later nodes to join. It’s possible that a large network would have eventually developed, but it likely would have happened by merging together private networks like AOL and MSN and Compuserve. And it would have been much more top down controlled and much more expensive and much less useful.

First computer network to send packets to another computer was British NPL network.

TCP/IP is not “the Internet”.

ARPANET is a computer network, but it’s not internet, nor it was the first.

The Arpanet IS the Internet. THE ARPANET IS THE NETWORK THAT WAS LATER RENAMED “INTERNET”. Did you really think that the internet just blinked into existence with millions of nodes? LMFAO. No, it had to start small and get big, as common sense dictates. UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing are literally the very first 4 nodes of the internet. We know exactly how, where, and when the internet started because we know what the very first 4 internet nodes are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

[The first four nodes were designated as a testbed for developing and debugging the 1822 protocol, which was a major undertaking. While they were connected electronically in 1969, network applications were not possible until the Network Control Protocol was implemented in 1970 enabling the first two host-host protocols, remote login (Telnet) and file transfer (FTP) which were specified and implemented between 1969 and 1973.[10][11][65] The network was declared operational in 1971. Network traffic began to grow once email was established at the majority of sites by around 1973.[12] Initial four hosts First ARPANET IMP log: the first message ever sent via the ARPANET, 10:30 pm PST on 29 October 1969 (6:30 UTC on 30 October 1969). This IMP Log excerpt, kept at UCLA, describes setting up a message transmission from the UCLA SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the SRI SDS 940 Host computer The initial ARPANET configuration linked UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah School of Computing. The first node was created at UCLA…]

But saying ARPANET was the internet is like saying gramophone is Netflix.

Would you stop with the nonsense? Gramophones were never renamed “netflix”. LOL…

That’s still not internet. It’s 1980

Would you again stop with the nonsense? Everyone with common sense knows that the internet did not just blink into existence with a million domains. Obviously it had to start small and grow from there. The internet was created in 1969, not 1980. The very first internet connection occurred on 30 October 1969. The first 4 internet nodes were: UCLA, ARC, UCSB, and the University of Utah. Just because the internet originally had a different name does not change in the slightest exactly when, how, and where it began.

Or in 1860 where they started laying sea cables to connect landmasses.

I never claimed that other countries do not do valuable things, but these things are not the internet.

I’m talking about something very specific: the Internet. It was created by the US DOD in the 1960’s. Without that happening what would have likely developed are a bunch of private networks like Compuserve, AOL, MSN etc that charge us by the hour.

It is typical that the US claims to have invented something when it is clearly a collaborative effort.

Why is it important to you to revise history on this particular topic? Creating the internet was not even a collaborative effort within the USA. It was done entirely by one single government agency, the Department of Defense. Nobody is saying Europeans never invented anything. Just not the internet.

The internet has so many beginnings

It has exactly one beginning. In 1969. It wasn’t even connected over the Atlantic until 1973.

https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/arpanet-internet

Nope. The US government Department of Defense literally funded and created the internet. It was initially called Arpanet and was mainly US government sites. This is why few people use the .us domain. Because the initial domains .gov, .mil, .org etc were all USA sites. Usenet is independent and does not require the internet and telnet is simply one program using the internet. Most of the core TCP/IP technology was created and funded by DOD also although it is possible some of it was pre-existing.

People would need to sub to your instance though for you to post content right?

I think there is some way to automatically forward your content but I don’t self host and am not an expert.

Pros are that while you could be “defederated”, you can’t be banned. You make any decisions and could also let others use your system.

What happened was everything went up 10x in price.

Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble.

Then just self host

The US government created the internet

I have like 5 alternates I would use before Spotify.

I could tell Spotify was trash when I first heard about it. That Spotify decided to enshitify their already bad site makes it even worse.

They will do it so long as not doing it greatly increases the amount of busywork, spam moderation and troll moderation.

Then they are unfit to be moderators because they are subtracting value from free discussions. I would much rather have to little moderation than lazy heavy handed moderation.

Hey, I’ve got unpopular opinions. No, it’s usually someone who is trolling.

A lot of people can’t tell the difference and just assume that someone with an unpopular opinion must be trolling.

If/when it does get big enough, what would be a good solution?

The best solution is to do nothing and don’t try to bring reddit’s groupthink enforcement flaws to lemmy.

Unpopular opinions deserve to be silenced? Terrible idea. We already have way too much group think.