Basically: should i care about ethics?

  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 hours ago

    I am just going to buy from the actual bands when I buy music. If they do not have DIY from now on, I will just listen to something else. There are plenty of bands that do their own production.

    • vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      22 hours ago

      Piracy isn’t stealing regardless.

      Stealing is to deprive someone of something they posses.

      It’s not possible to possess something that doesn’t exist yet. Your copy doesn’t exist until you make it (by downloading the file).

      If you chose to not support creators by paying to copy thier work, that’s maybe unethical but it’s not stealing.

      If you hack into a Sony server and copy an unreleased film, then delete their copy, that is maybe stealing. Anything short of that is just copying.

  • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
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    4 days ago

    Everything.

    Piracy is a tool to help reduce the disparity in wealth.

    The only time you should buy something that you could pirate is if you can’t find it and you plan on sharing it with everyone else. I call this “taking one for the team.”

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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    4 days ago

    Pirate what you need unless you are one of them archiver preppers.

    This ain’t about “legality” this is about fighting the class war against owner class.

  • Seefra 1@lemmy.zip
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    7 days ago

    From my personal ethics standpoint, intellectual property is a form of private property which I’m against, also a form or artificial scarcity, which I’m also against.

    If you want to support a small artist? You can maybe donate to them directly? Is that a thing? Maybe they have a patreon or something? In my case I have way less money than the artists I consume from so donating would make no sense.

    Also, the act of making a copy doesn’t remove the original, the artist doesn’t get poorer because you pirate their content.

  • bastion@feddit.nl
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    5 days ago

    I like to think about ethics. I still pirate some random stuff here and there, but one thing I like to do is make sure I’m getting some money to the creators of what I’m enjoying, skipping the middle man as much as can be.

    this is mostly only relevant with music, but if I can buy an album or song directly from the artist, that’s awesome. it not, i try to five what service benefits them most.

  • lunsjentilanette@sh.itjust.works
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    7 days ago

    I generally make sure to spend my money one contemporary artists or authors (who are not already filthy rich, if they are already super well-off i dont contribute to increasing that wealth and instead buy something else) and try to maxmize the amount of money that falls to them. You could also find ways to donate directly to these artists and then pirate their stuff to your hearts content (from my ethical point of view anwyay, law will not agree with me). Ive also first pirated stuff and then bought it later and just replaced the files on my media server.

    I dont really care about big corporations or some random rights holder long after someones death. So any big studio movie or old rock bands get pirated.

  • AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip
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    7 days ago

    Personally, I think it depends. For me, I like to pirate games that there’s no way for me to legally buy a copy of and if possible are way too overpriced. Think multi hundred dollar retro games.

    For media, I would absolutely support buying used media second hand. New physical releases tend to be worse than they were in the past in my opinion, so second hand or piracy feels like a good enough deal to me.

    For music, I’d rather have physical CDs, if possible, rather than paying for streaming because I at least either support a local business I like to go to for CDs or support the artist directly. Laws be damned, I’d rather pirate music than give my money to the companies who financially abuse artists. Similar reason why almost all my CDs are second hand.

    For stuff I have legally purchased, if need be I can just pirate them if it’s a digital product. Otherwise I can back up disc based media I have. No idea how to do it for the Sega Genesis cartridges I have, though, so if need be I can pirate those as well.

    Edit:

    For games, I pirate games I don’t own. For digital games I could find on Steam, I use it as a sort of demo for the game because majority of games don’t have a demo and I need one to ensure I’m not throwing my money down the drain.

    There have been plenty of games I’ve bought because the “demo” was enough to make me wanna buy the game to support the devs. Latest example being Dungeon Clawlers.

  • rumba@lemmy.zip
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    6 days ago

    You do you.

    I try to stick to Indy games and pay for them. I have d+ nf Hulu atv and cable with all channels that aren’t premium. I keep copies of any series/movies I like. If they lose the license or drop anything I’m not losing it. VCR rules, I paid to play it, I can record it/torrent to get it.

    Stuff that’s not on the air anymore, of I can’t stream it paying that much, also not gonna feel bad about torrenting.

    Qwest network had a commercial in 99.

    Guy pulls up to a dirty motel in the middle of nowhere

    “What kind of rooms you got?” “King size.”

    “You got room service?” “Donuts and coffee.”

    “Got entertainment?”

    “All rooms have every movie ever made in any language, anytime, day or night.”

    By now we should have that for a couple hundred a month. Definitely for less than I’m paying for all those services. Wanna put a limit on that? Everything over 6 months old is on it. But there’s no reason outside of massive greed to get to the state of fracture where at with service provision.

    I have apple Music and Spotify, I’m also keeping copies of music.

    Books are a mix, I pay for new audiobooks from authors I like, I buy hardback for newish stuff I really like,

    Old stuff, classics, textbooks, stuff with the rights going to an estate I pirate.

    More or less, I want to pay a reasonable price that I can bear to make sure my authors in studios actors keep making new stuff. If the fat cats eat it all, I’m not giving them more.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 days ago

    Basically: should i care about ethics capitalist ideology?

    No.

    The system is literally genociding people, destroying the planet, etc. It’s a major mistake to take their “ethics” seriously. It’s just another grift. Enjoy the natural freedom of information while you still can.

    • mogranja@lemmy.eco.br
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      7 days ago

      This, but at the same time, support the people whose work you like so they can continue doing it.

      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 days ago

        Hell yeah. I give money to small/individual artists and creators when I can be guaranteed they’re getting all my money. Everything else is fair game for me and I’ve never felt a bit of shame.

      • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 days ago

        Where is the threshold between supporting “the little guy” to “supporting evil capitalism”? At some point the little guy you support with money might become a super star. You still like his art but would you still support?

        I do the same btw but this question creates cognitive dissonance in my small tiny brain.

        • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
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          4 days ago

          The difference is how much money they’re making and how they’re spending it.

          For pretty much all creators bitching about not getting paid enough, it’s so they can live lavish lifestyles without having to think about what they spend their money on.

        • mogranja@lemmy.eco.br
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          6 days ago

          I don’t think there is a clear line there. Avoiding the big names we all know about is a start, and then we all do the best we can.

  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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    8 days ago

    Support the creators who deserve support. Otherwise you will end up with nothing good to pirate, because all the creators who deserved support and made your favourite creations, starved to death (or got other jobs, effectively the same thing)

    Your single act of piracy is not likely to make a difference either way, but on the other hand, your single act might indeed be the straw that breaks one particular camel’s back. And collectively we have to take some responsibility for that. It’s not even just about ethics (although it is ALSO about ethics), it’s about self-interest. You can be an individual freerider if you want, but eventually the freeriders overwhelm the system and it shuts down.

    Realistically there will always be plenty, plenty of games to pirate. But the key question is, will enough of those be good games, the really enjoyable ones that you want to play? The AAA slop and rehashes will never stop, oh they’'ll churn and froth and lay people off and blame pirates but they’re effectively self-sustaining, it takes money to make money and it takes money to lose money and there’s enough money in the system to keep them churning out sequels and derivative “new IP” until the heath death of the universe. There will always be some good games to pirate and to play no matter what you do, no matter what we all do.

    But it’s not a binary condition whether our financial support or piracy matters. You vote with your dollars. Your dollars guide the AAA studios in their desperate chase to steal the dollars from us, and your dollars literally enable indie developers to continue their projects at all. If too many people are not rewarding the kinds of novel and well-made games they want to see from AAA studios, and not supporting people’s passion projects that they’ve poured years of their lives into, you’re not going to see as many novel and well-made games or passion projects like that happening, and odds are good that at least one of the ones you won’t see happening will be one you really would have enjoyed.