I mostly use apps installed from F-Droid, so I’m not sure how I’ll use the phone, except that it’s sometimes required as a contact method.
Same thing I do now, don’t use android.
iOS is on track to push ID-based age verification.
We need flip phones like we had back in the 00s. Smartphones are about to get hella dumb.
I only run free/libre Android forks, so I don’t care.
Staying on Graphene for the time being. AFAIK should be able to still install apps whatever way I see fit.
Graphene’s team has stated that they are looking into OEM’s to potentially work out a solution to make a suitable device to run GOS, since Google is locking things down.
If it really comes to it, (long term), I’ll make the jump to a Linux mobile device, whether that’s a phone or a custom solution.
Just because corpo’s are making things difficult, doesn’t mean I’m going to cave. I started this privacy journey 6 years ago and I’m not about to undo it because of greed and inconvenience.
I’ll just
adb installthose same apps from f-droid. But my hope is that I will be using mobile linux more and more as a daily-driver, until it eventually replaces Android 100%I mean, unless there’s some alternative that banking apps and such will work on there really isn’t much you can do right?
I use hardware TAN generators and browsers. The cards support NFC payments. My banking apps run fine on Lineage OS and GrapheneOS.
Can’t you use a browser for banking? That’s what I do.
Or really, I just do my banking on the laptop.
Maybe you can use credit cards for everything but here it would be expected to be able to, at worst, pay with a direct transfer, and you’d need a banking app for that.
Really? You can do that in a web browser here, and never been in a situation where I need to make a bank transfer immediately. Only something like paying an invoice which you usually have weeks to pay.
What is the problem with SEPA? It just works.
I’m not in Europe?
Jolla has a Linux OS that supports Android apps. Works for Swedish banking apps, at least.
Use a dumbphone and hold onto a smartphone to use only when necessary. I have a Sunbeam F1 Pro for daily use. And I have a Moto G Power that I use maybe once every other week for bike maps, public transit, and restaurant QR codes. I’m hoping with how amazing the battery is that will last until 5G inevitably gets phased out. I was using FOSS apps with that, but I’ll just go back to the App Store. Post-DOGE, my threat model doesn’t require degoogling anymore.
Maybe eventually I’ll move to GrapheneOS, provided it finds a way to exist without using Google products and services. I have high hopes for Ubuntu Touch in the 2030s.
For me it’s less about finding a new daily driver and more about limiting the time spent on an Android phone.
GrapheneOS for as long as it s available, then probably PostmarketOS for that Nokia N95 experience
keep using graphene os
My old Nokia is still in a drawer, I think with somewhat charge in it. Enough for what I use a phone.
It was the push I needed to start building my dream device. They say Linux phones aren’t ready, and they aren’t. But the Linux desktop on aarch64 has come a long way thanks to things like the Raspberry Pi so I’m currently working on a Mobian pocket laptop that can replace my phone entirely. You can find a Pixel 3a XL for around $100 with an unlockable bootloader, just don’t expect a usable camera. Currently the tradeoff is either freedom of software with some missing drivers (USB host mode in particular) or using a distro like Droidian or UBports which is custom built to run on Halium and the android kernel and can’t be easily modified/tinkered with.
Slowly switch to Linux devices, or dumb phone, and learning to adapt happily living without some features, but also without control and censorship :)
Quite frankly im going to keep using GraphineOS, it doesn’t really matter for me how much Google restricts AOSP code or sideloading. As much as I care about open source I need something secure and reliable.
I like Graphene, but I’m at the point where I would put up with less security for more freedom – I just wouldn’t put anything actually sensitive on my phone.
It’s kind of silly that my phone should be an everything-device.
How much less security are you willing to accept? LineageOS is significantly worse in terms of security while PostmarketOS is even wose than LineageOS. Also its not just security but reliability.
Like desktop level. Password protected. Encryption would be nice. As for reliability, I’m willing to put up with slowdown, waiting up to a minute to open apps, and maybe 2 hard crashes a day, if it means I get a fully free phone, or at least as close to it as we get now.
Well, I did do app development for Android for a couple of years, so I’ll be using ADB it install APKs in any device affected if needed.
I’ll also never do development work for Android ever again, beyond making utilities for myself if need something like that.
Beyond that, I’ll never buy an Android device that cannot be unlocked. Last one I got was a Xiaomi phone, which at the time could be unlocked (which I did and installed an alternative ROM on it before I started using it), but they stopped that so Xiaomi isn’t going to be getting any more money from me.
Mid to long-term, I expect Linux devices are the solution. I’m especially interested in getting a Linux tablet (7" or 8") to replace the tablet I currently use mostly for book reading and internet browsing when I’m out and about (hence the size needs to be small enough to fit a back or jacket pocket).
When I started looking into it, my expectation was that Linux tablets would make even more sense as devices than phones since they’re closer to notebooks in terms of how they’re used, but I haven’t really found all that many out there - there are more Linux phones than tablets - and all of them were 10" or more (so, too large for my use case).
(PS: suggestions welcome, even just stuff I can root and install something like Ubuntu Touch on it)
Am I so unusal in wanting an portable computing device with a big enough screen to read stuff, for the purpose of consuming media rather than working on (so no keyboard need), which is not so big that I need to haul it in a backpack, not a full-blown smartphone with all the bells as whistles (I already have a smarphone on my pocket with mobile data, camera and GPS, so why would I need that shit AGAIN on a tablet???) and not a locked-down system like iOS or Android?
at the moment theres possible to sandbox the store in graphene, or use microg. i think there will be modded gapp packs for certain roms.
if not, the community will come up with a ui for adb install, maybe integrate fdroid and izzyondroid
I moved to GrapheneOS about a month ago, not too long after the announcement. Bought a used Pixel and jumped. TBH moving to Graphene was something I’d considered for a while for privacy reasons but Google gave me that last push.
There are some different ways of doing things but I’ve really enjoyed the transition overall.
