What kind of motorbike would you recommend for vietnam? Redlining a Honda Wave to do 55mph for an hour is awful, but a <200 lb bike is really nice in traffic and when you have to go over curbs, and bigger bikes are more likely to attract police attention.
My buddy got a cb1000r dirt cheap, and hates it in the city, and is constantly paranoid every traffic cop is gonna take the bike or demand a shitton of money.
Is this deGoogle?
How is the weight and size? Is it easy to carry and put in pocket or car?
Preliminary battery testing results:
During this first discharge session, I’ve installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
I want to like these. I compared the specs though and my note 20 ultra from half a decade ago still blow these out of the water in terms of specs.
I want a high end repairable phone
Was the downgrade to USB-C 2.0 noticeable to you so far? As in, with the slower data transfer speed or lack of Display output?
It’s the main reason why I ended up going with a Pixel 9 pro instead of Fairphone 6 when getting a new phone a few months ago
I haven’t used my phone’s USB port for anything but charging for at least over a decade so I hadn’t even checked the port speed before or after buying.
USB 2 ? no way. My camera backups would take weeks on USB 2 speeds. Probably faster over local network
What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn’t have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.
Fairphone 6 will get updates until at least 2033
PS: A ton of questions in the comments here can be resolved by a simple web search…
Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
Newer versions of Android were not available for the FP1. Older versions didn’t get the security updates. That was the issue.
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
No, it was not a browser issue. I don’t remember which one, maybe heartbleed, or any other of the famous vulnerabilities with a logo and a website.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
Well, that is exactly the claim, isn’t it? “The one that lasts” implies for me that it doesn’t randomly become unusable after a few years, even though the hardware is technically still fine. Smartphones have now reached a point of stagnating innovation. We already have most functionality we need, so it’s in theory a good time to produce phones that last until the hardware falls apart.
Good question.
There was an announcement about QC extending SD 7 and 8 support for up to 8 years but they say it depends on the OEM. Maybe FP is part of that deal. Maybe not.
Now let’s look at the Pixel’s update support from another angle. The problem I see is that the hardware may not last that long in practice. Specifically due to the lack of parts or the prices for those parts. For example a replacement for my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery is currently CAD $160. That used to be $80 when I had a Pixel 5. The screen repair cost is very high. Over the year-and-a-half I’ve had it, its battery capacity has gone down to 92%. A battery I have almost never fast charged. If this degradation rate continues, it’ll need replacement by year 2-3 of the device life. That’ll be $160-200 for another 2-3 years. Then there’s the parts availability. The Pixel 6a, supported to 2027, has a fire-hazardous battery defect requiring battery replacement. Our extended family has a couple. We checked with the authorized repair shops and it turns out they no longer have those batteries. That’s 3 years into the device’s support lifespan. This means it’s quite plausibe that I won’t be able to replace my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery next year, let alone in the 6th year of its 7-year support lifespan. In other words that long of an update support is only meaningful if it’s supplanted by the necessary availability of parts, and ideally the ability to replace them without specialized tools. I’ve tried replacing a Pixel battery in the past and I broke a screen. I’m sure I can get the hang of it if I had the requisite hot plates, high end suction cups and a few spare devices to practice, but that’s not practical for most users.
Yes, good point. One time I got a replacement battery for my FP1 at no costs IIRC. On the hardware side it’s definitely an advantage to have replaceable parts.
FP1 and 2 were really bad compared to what the new models offer. They now use LTS chips designed for IoT devices and promise new Android versions and Updates for at least 8 years. Ive used a FP3 for many years before I sold it (it still recieves updates) and now happily use the FP5.
They now use LTS chips designed for IoT devices
This is no longer the case for the Fairphone 6. It uses a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3, which is a regular SoC for mobile devices. I believe this is because Qualcomm finally extended support for these chips past 5 years.
Oh good to know!
yeah it’s not like google ever abandoned any projects
Unlike FP, Google at least Manages to provide security updates that are not more than 1,5 months old or even more
And that is for the FP5, since launch day.
Should I eat an entire black forest cake by myself?
Don’t do it.
it depends, is it REALLY good and do you have to be anywhere for the next 4 hours or can you just lay around comatose?
I can confirm the cake is good and I can make time.
Well I certainly wouldn’t recommend sharing
If anyone wants a slice, they can get their own cake.
Have you done it before?
No.
Go for it! You won’t get another chance when you’re dead.
True.
Narrator: idunnololz died later that day after attempting to eat an entire Black Forest cake solo
Back when I was young, swimming competitively, my go-to high snack was an Entemann’s All Butter French Crumb Cake and a half gallon of 2% milk. 2700 calories in a clip. Literally couldn’t put on weight.
But this story’s going to take a turn, because let me tell you, that shit catches up, and a poor diet is hard to forget, but when you’re old you do put on the weight.
So I’m going to say no, don’t eat the whole thing. Eat half of it.
Lmao. Well you see I’m an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
Just redefine your timescale. If you eat the whole thing by yourself over a week, you’ll probably be fine. Probably.
Probably not but it’s up to you dawg.
Thanks man.
How did you take a picture of your phone?
We’re not doing this again
I’m invoking the mirror clause immediately.
I was there as that unfolded. It was a beautiful thing, and made me love that place in the early days before The Donald and all the corpo-bullshit.
You hold your right index finger to your right temple and blink both eyes.
Noobs. Bet he doesn’t even use Linux.
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Are you running /e/OS or Android?
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How are the OS speeds?
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How is the camera?
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How is the Bluetooth audio quality?
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Are you using the phone inside or outside the EU?
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If using inside the US, how is the cellular service?
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Any flaws you can see now, and any cool aspects?
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Hahaha, it’s always fun to find rude people who are wrong. “Android is a trademark of Google LLC. It is used to refer to the operating system and related products developed by Google”. /e/OS is based on LineageOS, which is itself based on AOSP. The fact he differentiated /e/OS to Android does make sense, since Android refers to the stock version, which is cluttered with Google stuff.
If only your knew AOSP itself stands for Android open source Project. And since „Googles” Android is based on AOSP too, and dosent do much except adding modules to the root system, an Android system with Google Framework added is still just as much an android system as an AOSP system is if I added Seedvault to its root environment.
In other words, Googles Android is still based on AOSP, so something based on AOSP is still as much Android as something based on googles fork of ANDROID.
But let’s view it from a slang standpoint:
Since, as far as I can tell, your view of what is AOSP and what is android is based on if its Root environment was modified.
If we look at it that way, Samsung’s OneUI is not Android, too. Xiaomis whatever is not Android too. But still people are calling Samsung an android phone. Same as with everything else.
Also, your use of Patent Laws to determine what is and isn’t called what is completely unsolicited, since it is completely unable to catch many cases such as AOSP, WHICH BTW HAS EXISTED BEFORE GOOGLE BOUGHT IT.
So your „ummm, akschually” response doesn’t only make you a shill for the corrupt patent laws which are not only discouraging innovation, but oppressing indie teams making the said innovation, such as in the case Palworld, but your answer dosent even take the current social usage of what is and Isn’t android into consideration.
Serious question, does being rude make you feel better?
This thread is like the Simpsons gag blowing dust off the book title “How to cook [for(ty)] humans”, except everyone’s an asshole and I also learned several things. Upvotes all around!!
To be honest, im kinda into torturing others, so that could be Kind of my other fetish to be honest
So you’re putting your fetish on others without their consent? Gross.
Its less of a fetisch, and more just an urge. Its just my Psychosis, I guess
Super cool story bro. Doesn’t change the fact that everyone immediately knew what OP was talking about, where as you prefer to keep everything obscure.
I am well aware of what AOSP stands for, but what you say doesn’t really make sense. OneUI, MIUI, etc are all derivatives of Google’s Android i.e. all come with Google Play Services installed as a system app. So, however you might frame it, it is still in fact a sensible thing to use the term “Android” to refer to “Stock Android” with Google when talking about these topics. Moreover, this is also very useful to make it clear to people who are not aware of the intricacies of AOSP how some operating systems DO NOT depend on Google services. You can see this being used by companies like Tutanota on how to “Degoogle your life”. The simply put, as a replacement for Android, CalyxOS, /e/OS, LineageOS, etc. Despite these being AOSP based ROMs, using Android to refer to google based systems and AOSP to refer to independent ROMs that do not come with Google Play Services by default is VERY useful to make the point come accross. If you don’t believe me, look at any popular news media source that talks about GrapheneOS, for example.
PD: I still believe the fact that Android is a patented trademark of Google gives validity to the expression, regardless of how one might feel about patent law.
How old are you? Should you be in class or something?
/e/ IS Android.
Didn’t know that. It’s always been marketed as its own separate OS. Thanks for being an asshole!
Like on every other phone that supports at least bt 2.
Thanks
/e/ is a degoogled fork of Android, just like Calyx or Graphene.
Thanks for educating and not berating
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Do you wear wigs?
Have you worn wigs?
Will you wear wigs?
For those who have not seen the brilliant interview where Hans Jensen interviews Elijah Wood!
No, don’t recall, maybe.
When will you wear wigs?
HAAH-!
When will you wear Wigs?
Lil sus they wont answer about the wigs. I think we have our answer.
what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European?
how do you know so much about swallows?
What would a laden swallow typically be laden with?
Coconuts of course.
Naturally.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Fairphones.
He doesn’t even swallow. He spits.
Swallow, come!
food or nest building materials
What do you use that yellow switch for?
The Fairphone (Gen. 6) comes with a physical switch on the side which, by default, will trigger Fairphone Moments. Fairphone Moments is a brand new minimalist experience to use your Fairphone with fewer distractions. This gives you the freedom to disconnect when you want and stay fully present in real life or customize moments fitted to your own experiences, such as focus and travel modes.
Welcome back iPhone 5
Just the flashlight for now.
you can set the function in the settings if you keep the stock os. things like flashlight, work profile and such.
on /e/os it is hard set to turning on and off camera & microphone access. at least i haven’t found a way to rebind it
Do you think three wheeled cars should make a comeback?
I’d go for three wheeled bikes.
Those are called trikes… obviously. How have you not figured that out? Bikes are called what they are because they have two wheels, “Bi” meaning two, same as we humans are bipedal because we walk on two legs. If a person had a third leg they wouldn’t be “bipedal with three legs”, they’d be tripedal.
I seriously don’t understand how anyone older than a literal child fails to understand that.
Haha love how angry this made you 😁 You go get 'em tiger 🐯
Is a bin with three wheels instead of two a trin?
That’s his thing. He takes pleasure in being cruel. And because he’s “technically” right, he’ll never own that.
A bike is an object with two kes. What’s a ke?
It’s actually every other ke.
a Latinized form of Greek kyklos “circle, wheel”
It could also be an object with ke bis, which sounds much cooler if you ask me.
I don’t understand how anyone older than a literal child would talk like you, tbh. And assume so much based on a joke to boot.
Only if the front wheel is like a rolling pin
Rear wheels: 235/55R19XL
Front wheel: Fred Flintstone style“Yabba Dabba Doo!”
Aptera LFG!!!
I cancelled my reservation after the 16th prototype and 3rd fundamental design change.
I still have my reservation but I’m tempted to switch to Telo
I switched to Slate
I like Slate but it’s not enough range for me
I forgot about this as soon as it didn’t have a headphone jack.
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I’ve legitimately seen a few (with a single back wheel) here in LA. I wouldn’t take it on a highway, but they seem alright. Like a juiced up golf cart you can drive on the street, or maybe a hobbled dune buggy.
Yes they’re fine in LA street traffic. But probably not great in bad weather either.
Yeah, the ones I saw didn’t have a fully enclosed interior like a normal vehicle. Definitely not what I’d want to be in during a downpour.
No questions, but I’m so fucking pissed that Fairphone is on their 6th generation and still doesn’t offer them globally.
I have to replace my wife’s dying phone, and it kills me that I’ll end up buying some garbage, probably from Google, that will end up as garbage in a few years.
Please, bring these to Canada! 😭😭😭
It is insanely expensive to get network certification and pay for band licenses, and then build an antenna array that can cover it all well. Myriad of frequencies outside of dealing with mafioso policies.
Cell phones need to be the new landline. Just works. But that takes regulation and design patterns.
And towers. You live where I live, very low population density and thick forest make cell phones iffy at best. Many places I go have absolutely no cell service and probably never will. I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I have the opposite problem! 5G is being forced on us here (Ontario, Canada), and my mobile provider just closed of their 3g network, and are making 4g more expensive. I don’t need 5g. I don’t even need 4g, and to have to pay for it just sucks.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago. So 4G/LTE is the default now. When we had 3G, the reception was even worse. And 5G is supposed to be the thing. But even in the nearest big town, (Pop. 15,000), the 5G reception is very spotty. But at least my bill hasn’t gone up.
In any case, even my new Pixel 9a only shows one bar where I live. But at least I can send a text reliably now.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago.
Funny enough, was setting up a new phone and saw the option to enable 2g with an actual toggle! LOL
Opening up their market to another 400 million to multiple billion people would make those expenses worth while, though.
We need ethical, environmentally conscious, future proof options for smartphones in the Americas. 😫
Buddy, I’m in Torontario guy. Bought from Clove UK for 1016 Canadian peso final-final, after DHL blood sacrifice.
I don’t want to import, I want to purchase from an authorized local dealer with warranty and parts available in Canada.
Even clove says that you’ll need to send the phone back to the UK, at your expense, for any warranty related work. That’s not only incredibly time consuming and costly, but it would negate any environmental benefit of owning the phone!
I can’t imagine how expensive and delayed parts would be, again, missing the point of having a repairable phone.
The demand for at least North American consumers is there. I wish Fairphone would just do it already.
Murena is an official authorized seller of Fairphones, but they come with e/os (you can reinstall the original if you have a computer)
Edit: Damn its available for the US but not Canada.
Got it. Yeah it makes sense for the warranty. I assumed I could get parts in Canada though. I might have jumped the gun on this one. I thought iFixit sells them and they do but I can see their site says “Not sold in Canads” for a few parts I checked just now. Hmm.
E: It seems that Clove also sells parts. I see some FP4 and 5 parts. No FP6 parts yet.
I bought my FairPhone from Clove too. It was easy and the phone works great here.
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense. I don’t particularly need the highest end specs, I just need a mid ranger phone that’s sufficiently fluid and Fairphone fits the bill.
In fact, I was more intrigued by their earbuds. IIRC, they are the only one with a replaceable battery. For a set of wireless ones, that is a huge step. I don’t think their sound profile was/is as good as Sony’s or Sennheiser’s but the simple fact that they don’t have to end up as e waste makes them way more value for money in the long run.
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense.
This is why I got a Framework laptop, and why I wouldn’t mind getting a Fairphone. I’m tired of planned obsolescence, and the e-waste it needlessly creates.
I don’t think they’re handling their current scale well just in Europe, even. VoLTE works on a limited number of carriers even in Europe. e.g. only T-Mobile is recommended by FP in Poland, but it’s just one of the four large telcos. I wouldn’t expand if I was at that point. Plus, they’re busy with making their support less horrible (see post on their forum) for now.
edit: damn fp6 doesn’t support any Polish carrier, a step down from FP5 https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9779766652689-How-to-set-up-4G-and-Wi-Fi-Calling
That’s disappointing. They’ve been around for over a decade, and still have these “growing pains”?
Even phones from much smaller, more niche companies (i.e Pinephone) have had global availability and work on global bands.
This is just about VoLTE that’s used for higher bandwidth of voice calls (and HD Voice). Calling works normally, it’s just that they don’t have the “HD+” icon in the dialer, so they aren’t high quality voice calls). It doesn’t impact my life very much but it’s one of those things that are missing.
