This community usually discusses consumer rights, but nobody is discussing this initiative. Is it maybe cuz Lemmy’s majority ain’t American?
I think Clippy is the wrong icon for this. Microsoft Bob would have been better and it predated Clippy by a few years.! .
It’s not as recognizable though.
actually I recognize this one more. I only know about clippy from retro computing videos, but I remember this dog and that sorcerer clearly when searching stuff (now that I mention it, Windows’ search sucks nonetheless)
Y know this comment section-and every other i see when this vid comes up- is a perfect illustration of why the left always loses. We would rather criticize everything/anything than DO anything. Who fucking CARES if they care, if the notice, if it matters or affects anything??? Who fucking CARES who/what the mascot is??? The message is something im reasonably sure 99.99 percent of usernames in this particular commie off brand reddit corner of the internet AGREE WITH. Yet. We sit here shouting at each other and arguing over each fucking comment, nuance and semantic instead of doing even the tiniest, most trivial resistance… this more than anything is why the left is so useless and despicable, as a movement. Theyre too busy shooting each other in the feet to notice the race is already over. MORONS.
There’s a lesson I learnt from playing team games: If your teammate makes a bad call that you disagree with, you should still follow them 100%. Going all-in on a questionable decision is almost always better than second guessing each other.
I think it applies here, and it’s why right wingers and religions are so effective. They don’t care if their arguments are flawed or their leader is a rapist, they’re jumping into that fight every time.
I’ve seen this posted before, so it’s definitely been discussed on Lemmy before. Reading the comments back then is much like reading the comments here, Clippy does not really seem fit as a corporation fighting symbol and frankly changing your pfp will most likely have no impact to Youtubes management. Why not simply go for a Reddit blackout kind of protest where everyone switches all their videos to unlisted or blocking monetization on their videos (if that is possible)? That will surely get the attention of Youtube.
The goal is to show each other we are many. He explained it in another video, the clippy movement actually had an impact. This is simply the first step for organising as a group around a shared idea: using a common symbol. It doesn’t matter what the symbol is, as long as we recognize each other using it.
Why not simply go for a Reddit blackout
Well the whole reddit thing was just a bunch of volunteer mods. On the other hand, many YouTubers make a career out of the platform. Considering their livelihoods are at stake, and the vast number of YouTubers you would need to get on board to make google actually care? Organizing such a thing would be anything but simple.
Also the Reddit blackout did nothing. So I’m not why that’s your reference point. Charging pfp would achieve exactly the same. Nothing.
Americans love their nothing burger demonstrations.
The reddit blackout got me off reddit. Well, that and reddit getting rid of third party apps and enshitifying the platform
I think the Reddit blackout did a lot, just not everything. I’m here on Lemmy because of it. Granted I’m still on Reddit as well, and Mastodon, and Xitter…
Just keep plugging along, and every little bit helps.
I’ve been out touching grass, what’s all this about?
lazy copy of my comment in another thread:
here, the video which started all: https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/change-your-profile-picture-to-clippy.:e
and where he goes a bit more into detail and talks about many of the points seen in this thread: https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/you-changed-your-profile-to-clippy-now:6
Clippy is becoming a shared symbol. The idea it represents is that: we are not happy with the way companies lock us out of our own devices. We want to be allowed to do whatever we want with the hardware we bought. We want to be able to repair it. We want privacy when using it… Etc…
What motivated the choice of Clippy as a symbol? Meme value?
Kinda, but also that Clippy (real name Clippit, as it happens) was included as a feature that was genuinely intended to be helpful. Like, that’s not to say it was successful, or appreciated, but that it came from a time when you could buy a product in the expectation that you’d own it, you could keep it and it’d work for you, not for someone else.
No, simply because I’ve never commented on youtube, so it’d be pretty useless, if not counterproductive. Giving even more information about my political/tech ethics to Alphabet doesn’t seem smart nor useful in my position. Also, I don’t even watch youtube videos on their website now. I usually use invidious instances or newpipe.
But I’m not against people doing it, especially if the ultimate goal is spreading awareness and building a community of people with privacy oriented ideas.
I’m on the same boat, except for the part about not using Youtube. Unfortunately I’m caught in that spiral where I watch every clickbait_y video about new programming language, new tech stack …ect. Are you able to watch every video normally with invidious and newpipe on Desktop (Linux/Windows) ? My experience wasn’t going that well, also Youtube is so good because of the bandwidth and you easily switch quality.
I’m using FreeTube on desktop. World pretty well. If you lots an update you might have issues before getting the latest version
Pff. This reminds me of the This Is Bob protest against the forced Google+ accounts that were the beginning of youtube enshittification. It didn’t do shit. Anyone who wants a profile on youtube nowadays has a Google account. Google+ may have failed but the intent and mission behind it didn’t. Google has total control over anyone who wants to use YouTube now.
You can set clippy as your profile pic and feel like you have done something, but it’s not gonna change anything.
If people want to actually do something, they should abandon these predatory services and go open source or maybe become anti tech as much as possible. It doesn’t matter whether or not you signal to the Zuckerburgers on top how you feel if you’re just gonna continue to use their products.
The only thing that would scare them would be the numbers plummeting if they saw a mass exodus from their platforms and services and people actively began looking for alternatives. But most people can’t be fucked to do that because they are too enmeshed with these services that it is easier to stay. But putting clippy as your profile pic is super easy and costs you nothing so yay. You get to feel like you did something without actually sacrificing anything to make change and the Zuckerburgers will look at you and shrug. “Ah, the peasants are blowing off some steam again”.
Sorry for being so negative, but this is honestly so fucking weak. I may have missed something, but when has slacktivism ever changed the minds of these companies?
Google+ may have failed but the intent and mission behind it didn’t.
Google+ was Google’s attempt to take on Facebook with its own social product. It definitely failed, and the intent and mission failed too. That isn’t to say that they have no social data, but they definitely don’t have access to the full social graph that Meta does.
It wasn’t a complete failure. Before Google+ Google’s various products were all siloed. Your data in gmail was in a different silo from you data from search, which was different from your data from Google Reader, etc. As part of the Google+ push, Google put out an EULA that basically said that it could share data from any google product you used with any other google product you used and it was one big unified account now. Thanks to that, they’re able to target their ads based on much more data. But, they still wish they’d been able to get a Facebook competitor up and running so they could see more clearly who your friends and family were. There’s so much interpersonal data they’re missing out on.
when has slacktivism ever changed the minds
Hey, don’t you remember how changing your Twitter profile picture to have a green overlay encouraged the Arab Spring to bring lasting democracy all over the Middle East?!? /s
Lol, did people do that? I only remember the black square for the blm movement, but I have also never really been on Twitter, so most of what I know about trends on that platform is what has been shared on other platforms.
I do really think that one of the things we have to do as collective, is something somewhat impossible but,
We need to pick the things we really care about. Limit ourselves from the everything that we have been offered for so long and find what brings us joy specifically and start following and protecting that and doing it off the Internet, or at least the at large big players.
Find artists in our spaces locally that make the comedy, or comics, or stories, the developers that make their own games and movies that dont outsource their work to others so that it no longer feels like art.We can still have globalised sharing and our spaces can support that by raising up the best of the best naturally through communication and sharing but not just by being told it’s gonna be big or given to us easily.
The only way out feels like we as a collective need to start putting work into cultivating and tending to our fandoms and we cant be as greedy as it will take more work. Im fine with us being an insatiable species craving for more cause its how we don’t stop, and i want new artists and new creators and new spaces. But i think we cant be lazy about it anymore. And i think doubly so we cant think we can do all of it.
Problem is that the majority of people are not going to do any of that because it takes work and people either don’t want to let go of comforts, they don’t care enough or they don’t have the energy to be digital activists after they have finished a day of work.
It will probably only gain traction if it becomes the cool thing to do among young people and even then, it will most likely be a smaller number of young people who will bother doing all of this.
The rest will become really good at prompting their way through life because its easier, more comfortable and takes the least effort.
they don’t have the energy to be digital activists after they have finished a day of work.
Good news! With the rate corporations are laying off and firing workers, pretty soon they will have plenty of time for activism.
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Yeah i mean that seems likely with how things are going but also things rarely go exactly to plan.
Im a realist so, i accept that it is entirely possible its gonna keep getting worse. I’m just also a sucker for optimism and maybe someday it will be better.
Probably not tomorrow or next year… Probably gonna be a lot more of this for a while.
Hold on to your optimism! We need people like you.
I consider myself a pessimistic optimist. Things probably aren’t gonna happen the way we hoped, but we will adapt and make some lemonade with what we are given.
It’s so rare that hyped movements go anywhere because the focus is always on the wrong things, but in the long term, if companies make it increasingly obnoxious to use their services, people will most likely silently make the move to open source through word of mouth. It isn’t as sexy and bombastic as making clippy your avatar and doing armchair V for Vendetta protests, but it’s through people’s silent choices that change will gradually happen. Whether or not this change will be felt on a grand scale, I don’t know. I also don’t really care. I just believe that over time, more and more people will eventually turn their back on the big tech companies while the rest will stick around either out of indifference or ignorance and that is their right too.
Only one thing you can do to these bloated lizard-ass fuckers sipping boy-blood and soaking in little girl pussy on the most otherwise beautiful land in the world as the paranoiac securitization gradually creeps out from them building seemingly spontaneous bunker complexes everywhere they step will ever dissuade any of them from literally anything.
I do of course mean voting. You should vote for them.
I can count the amount of fucks any tech giant gives about Clippy avatars on a snake’s hands.
On the other hand, seeing this symbol more and more on other random videos outside that bubble does give a very nice sense of “I am not alone”. It does more for users to find eachother than it does damage to big corpos.
But choice of the symbol itself is questionable… Why use a big tech symbol to protest big tech? -__- And not just any big tech, but super evil 90s monopolistic giant Microsoft
There’s a nice cartoon in this thread we’re clippy is if he could have, he would have harvest all your data.
Come on. Changing an avatar picture has never achieved anything. On top of that, changing to a corporate mascot to fight corporate greed….give me a break. There are better actions to take like being on fediverse instead of Reddit or other social media platforms or using libre office. I get the rant but an avatar change doesn’t mean anything.
It’s mostly idiots who want to be part of something and some that “don’t like” what is happening and “want” change but put in the least possible amount of effort pathetically to attempt to cause a change, and this only when someone popular suggests.
They never really want to stop using the product. It’s like drug addicts trying to make drugs less addicting by “protesting” against the very thing they use (and will keep using) literally everyday.
Personally, I have more of a “I’m not alone” feeling when I actively leave services that I disagree with and through word of mouth find alternatives where I can talk to people who seem to have the same base values I do. Even if we disagree on other things.
It’s the laziness of this initiative that drives me up a wall. People want change but they don’t want to work for or sacrifice anything for it.
we can argue about the choice of symbol until the world ends. the symbol is just a thing people can recognise and rally around.
the first step of any movement is to gather people. then do something. so yes, changing a picture is lazy, but it is a virtual rally point. he talks about next steps in another video: https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/you-changed-your-profile-to-clippy-now:6
Good on him that he’s actually planning on doing something more than just have ppl change their avatar. Maybe he should have put that in the original video instead of getting mad that people are calling him out for slacktivism.
Also, I have not argued the choice of symbol at any point. I don’t care what image people put as their profile pic. What I was arguing was that it is weak to change your profile pic for a cause if you then keep using the products you’re protesting against.
If he and the people joining his movement actually manage to make positive change, then I’m all for it. It just wasn’t clear in his first video that he had ambitions to actively have laws changed. It sounded like he wanted people to change their pics that that would somehow make everybody rebel against their corporate overlords. If he didn’t want people to think that was his movement, he should have elaborated in the same video instead of playing coy and splitting it up into two videos where he gets to call the critics of his movement apathetic idiots.
Good luck to him and those who join the movement. I hope they manage to make some changes.
sometimes you don’t have to (or can’t) have a full plan A-Z. Sometimes you just have to start somewhere - usually with gathering ppl. euromaidan is a great example of that.
but yes, louis could have put more concrete plans in his first video. as he has them. on the other hand he probably throws many things and sees what sticks. i guess that is what you have to do, if you try to change legislation against corpos with much more everything than you.
I agree with you
we know we are not alone because here we are.
i don’t need a boost to my ego or hopium, i need solutions. which well, here we are.
It’s a good thing that’s not what it’s about then. It’s about showing the size of the community, and knowing that there are other people like you that care, and thus you will be more likely to actually do something.
Had me in the first half, but I don’t see any clippys doing much of anything but ishposting
Thank you. I needed that chuckle 😂❤️
youtube pfp to clippy ?
That would require having a YouTube/Google account, so no
no. I think Goatse would make more of an impact than Clippy. But something tells me there’d be a problem with that
PFP idea: a smashed server and a dude ripping it apart. I call it GOAITSE
I’m not changing my PFP to a Microsoft product in hopes Microsoft stops fucking people. Slackativism is cringe.
I just move away to freedom respecting tech and talk about it with the people around me.
I don’t get it. I really don’t. Why should I brand myself with a Microsoft mascot? This is the most stupid idea they ever had.
Louis does sniff his own farts a lot.
Have you changed you youtube pfp to clippy ?
I don’t work here.
From the same business geniuses that though that having you pay a fee to be allowed to pick a seat next to your other family members in an airplane was a good idea…
wait hold on, i know those eyes. was this made by the surreal unix guy?
Yeah, from this post a week ago.
oh shit
niiice, i fucking love this guy’s artstyle
Yeah, but he can’t. That’s the point.
That is a deeply unserious point
What do you mean?
Someone (well, something) who doesn’t violate you because he can’t, not because he wouldn’t, is not a good example.
Like, Thomas Edison didn’t sell me out using his light bulb. Not because he was a good person, because he physically couldn’t. If he were alive today he absolutely would.
Software should have the least permissions posible for the task, that is why it is important the “cant”.
Clippy already was a big step in the wrong direction from Microsoft, i’m not gonna celebrate mistakes of the past because they seem benign in comparison to todays mistakes.
What about Tux throwing clippy in the bin? Acknowledgement and shows it doesn’t go far enough
Clippy wasnt a bad idea, especially in an era where computers were just becoming mainstream. But just like most microsoft’s products, the poor implementation made it useless and annoying…
Clippy is such a stupid mascot for this “movement”.
how so? I think it’s absolutely perfect that what was once emblematic of corporate overreach into our lives would be welcomed as preferable to the current state of affairs. Clippy didn’t want to sell your data to bounty hunters, he just wanted to help.
He absolutely would have sold your data if there were any buyers for it. Microsoft was still a terrible company in the Clippy era, there just were fewer opportunities to be terrible in this particular way at the time.
Clippy is Microsoft!! So you are using a Microsoft product to fight against Microsoft? Just use libre office or other tool set instead.
well the last thing I’d want to do is infringe Microsoft’s IP … what is the FOSS alternative to Clippy?
I mean, Tux is right there.
didn’t know people hated Tux but whatever
What? Who hates Tux?
you said it not me
Clippy symbolizes the attachment our generation has to the old state of software:
- you bought it? Then it runs offline for sure!
- nothing runs on background, except if you turn it on (Yes I never turned on Windows default protection on Win xp or win 7
- You bought? You own it, you format it, you don’t pay for subscription, and there is practically nothing stopping you from modifying it if you go hacker.
On top of that Clippy looks cute. Personally I’m not participating in the movement since I’m not American, but imo the choice does make sense.
While I’m typing from Ubuntu, I only switched to Linux cuz I can’t get back to the old state of win xp or win 7 that was perfect imo. While some are trying to convert people into Linux, others are trying to restore the corporate business to the old acceptable state.
Neither will succeed alone, and in fact those companies are using resources of your country to produce this shit, so it makes sense that you demand it to not suck that hard.That is nostalgia talking. Microsoft was evil at that time. I will rather that the tiktoker use his monetized video to talk about Linux. He is creating a false movement just for money and eye ball purpose. Be real.
I thought atleast this initiative looks interesting: https://consumerrights.wiki/Main_Page . But, yeah you’re right I prefer boycotting Microsoft cuz they’re more evil than ever: https://inv.nadeko.net/embed/7BoTBy1aHVM?
